Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That makes perfect sense, but it should still fail a blacklight test. Why aren't these high dollar cards being examined under a blacklight? Is an extra 30 seconds in the review process really that much extra effort, especially on high dollar cards?

You’re absolutely right:

https://sabrbaseballcards.blog/2017/...uthentication/

[drcy]

There are current tools, beyond just blacklight, that would identify all added material. They are currently used with art and artifacts.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by drcy

There are current tools, beyond just blacklight, that would identify all added material. They are currently used with art and artifacts.

Thanks! You don't have to explain how the tools work (I probably wouldn't understand anyway ), but how long would it take to use these tools to examine a card? Just wanting to know how much extra time would be involved in the grading process?

[drcy]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Thanks! You don't have to explain how the tools work (I probably wouldn't understand anyway ), but how long would it take to use these tools to examine a card? Just wanting to know how much extra time would be involved in the grading process?

There are handheld "point and shoot" spectrometers, including one pictured in the below article. Blacklights are a form of spectroscopy, but there are highly advanced versions (using ir, gamma rays and x-rays) that include handheld devices.


SPECTROSCOPY IN ART AND ARTIFACTS AUTHENTICATION

[perezfan]

The bogus PSA-approved cards just keep coming on BO.... Cobb, Marquard and Mantle now... with no apparent end in sight.

If FBI or Law Enforcement doesn't have enough to intervene with this plethora of indisputable evidence, then there's a huge double-standard. This is feeling way beyond what Mastro, Allen and Rogers did.

PWCC/PSA are to cards as Coach's Corner/Christopher Morales are to autographs. Actually they are worse, as the corrupt money pouring in is far greater.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The bogus PSA-approved cards just keep coming on BO.... Cobb, Marquard and Mantle now... with no apparent end in sight.

If FBI or Law Enforcement doesn't have enough to intervene with this plethora of indisputable evidence, then there's a huge double-standard. This is feeling way beyond what Mastro, Allen and Rogers did.

PWCC/PSA are to cards as Coach's Corner/Christopher Morales are to autographs. Actually they are worse, as the corrupt money pouring in is far greater.

Very good analogy

[Bram99]

Originally Posted by perezfan

The bogus PSA-approved cards just keep coming on BO.... Cobb, Marquard and Mantle now... with no apparent end in sight.

If FBI or Law Enforcement doesn't have enough to intervene with this plethora of indisputable evidence, then there's a huge double-standard. This is feeling way beyond what Mastro, Allen and Rogers did.

PWCC/PSA are to cards as Coach's Corner/Christopher Morales are to autographs. Actually they are worse, as the corrupt money pouring in is far greater.

Or what Charles Ponzi is to schemes

[Thromdog]

Here’s a Cy Young with some work done.....bought in fall 2017 at BST as a PSA 2 and then sold by PWCC as a PSA 3.

There’s at least one other from that auction that was altered and sold by PWCC also.

https://bst-auctions.com/1909_1911_T...A-LOT2936.aspx

[joshuanip]

Not relevant to post.

[Arazi4442]

Thoughts on this "asset"?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steph-Curry...IAAOSw91Jc8Kxi

Seems like a trim would be tough to detect!

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

Thoughts on this "asset"?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steph-Curry...IAAOSw91Jc8Kxi

Seems like a trim would be tough to detect!

Its ok, he has a 30 day return policy. If you dont like it you can return it (but he may ban you).

[CMIZ5290]

The hits keep on coming with this guy, but unfortunately, he is going to win out and keep laughing all the way to the bank....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

The hits keep on coming with this guy, but unfortunately, he is going to win out and keep laughing all the way to the bank....

Who, Brent? Gary?

[vintagetoppsguy]

The guys at BO have done an amazing job in their detective work. The before and after pics are irrefutable evidence. Good thing previous auction sales and scans are recorded.

But I wonder how many doctored cards are out there residing in PSA slabs that will never be known? Cards where there are no before scans available? Cards that Moser purchased at a shop, show or other private sale for doctoring? I guess we'll truly never know.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The guys at BO have done an amazing job in their detective work. The before and after pics are irrefutable evidence. Good thing previous auction sales and scans are recorded.

But I wonder how many doctored cards are out there residing in PSA slabs that will never be known? Cards where there are no before scans available? Cards that Moser purchased at a shop, show or other private sale for doctoring? I guess we'll truly never know.

As I have posted this goes WELL beyond this single individual. There are many card doctors.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

Its only a 200M market cap, but explain why CLCT is near 52 week highs in this market dump..... Either the news hasn't disseminated or this will pass.

i think the stock is seen as a good stock when the markets bad...people may gravitate towards collectibles as investments...like whats happening right now...so the stock is high...because most stockpickers/investors don't know whats happening with psa right now...it hasn't made any major news outlets...might be a good one to short!!!

[joshuanip]

Not relevant to post.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i think the stock is seen as a good stock when the markets bad...people may gravitate towards collectibles as investments...like whats happening right now...so the stock is high...because most stockpickers/investors don't know whats happening with psa right now...it hasn't made any major news outlets...might be a good one to short!!!

Dave Peck gave some very good insight into the perils of shorting a stock like this not long ago.

[joshuanip]

Not relevant to post.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

Not relevant to post.

That's OK I do it all the time. I figure nobody cares or I am on everyone's ignore list.