Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[Bigdaddy]

I've always been an Eagles fan (the band, not the football team) and methinks Glenn Frey hit the nail on the head when he sang (from Smuggler's Blues):

"thre's lots of shady characters
lots of dirty deals
ev'ry name's an alias
in case somebody squeals
it's the lure of easy money
it's gotta very strong appeal"

I think every line of this chorus applies to this mess. From PSA to PWCC to Moser and the other trimmers to eBay aliases and shilling to the exponential difference in prices of high grade cards (PSA 8-10). Though we own that last one.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

I've always been an Eagles fan (the band, not the football team) and methinks Glenn Frey hit the nail on the head when he sang (from Smuggler's Blues):

"thre's lots of shady characters
lots of dirty deals
ev'ry name's an alias
in case somebody squeals
it's the lure of easy money
it's gotta very strong appeal"

I think every line of this chorus applies to this mess. From PSA to PWCC to Moser and the other trimmers to eBay aliases and shilling to the exponential difference in prices of high grade cards (PSA 8-10). Though we own that last one.

its those smugggglers blues!!!!!

[bobbyw8469]

Oh lord...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2342


They really blew the color job on that one.

[perezfan]

And we’re supposed to believe PSA really missed that??

Seriously, if there’s a company who’s worse at the ONE THING they’re supposed to do, I’d love to know who it is. Nice job, PSA!

I know we’ve already said it’s the “tip of the iceberg”. But I’m honestly losing count of these now.

[frankbmd]

Does PSA remove the pre-altered grade from their pop report when they add the grade of the altered version of the same card?

Pop Report enthusiasts should consider this when touting their pops.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Does PSA remove the pre-altered grade from their pop report when they add the grade of the altered version of the same card?

Pop Report enthusiasts should consider this when touting their pops.

I have put that request already in my wish list to Steve Sloan. There are some set registry ne'er-do-wells that probably still have them in their sets.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I have put that request already in my wish list to Steve Sloan. There are some set registry ne'er-do-wells that probably still have them in their sets.

So when is Sloan going to address this...publically?

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by swarmee

I have put that request already in my wish list to Steve Sloan. There are some set registry ne'er-do-wells that probably still have them in their sets.

Some?

Probably?

Hahahaha!

This thread is cheaper than drinking in a comedy club, with more punch lines.


And the people who get paid for their opinions are laughing all the way to the bank...

[T206Collector]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2361

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Does PSA remove the pre-altered grade from their pop report when they add the grade of the altered version of the same card?

Pop Report enthusiasts should consider this when touting their pops.

How classic would it be if the population of one of the modern serial-numbered cards that has had example(s) involved with this trimming scandal has a PSA graded population higher than the highest serial number... this might actually be out there!

[perezfan]

A brand new group of altered vintage cards were exposed on BO last night. Many have had obvious color added, and PSA continually fails to detect it.

Also, Moser's net gain was recently posted for the poorly executed color-added Clemente Rookie.... Nearly a $7,000 gain on that one awful card alone.

[Throttlesteer]

What percentage of "freshly graded" cards do you think truly haven't seen a holder before? I think it's quite small and the pops are considerably off due to this kind of stuff.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Oh lord...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2342


They really blew the color job on that one.

yuck

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

yuck

And Peter....BOTH cards got the PWCC "High End" sticker. A '5' with a huge surface scratch like that, as well as a '7' with obvious color touch on it. I'm literally speechless right now.

[frankbmd]

Stickers trump grading in pre-school and in Oregon.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

And Peter....BOTH cards got the PWCC "High End" sticker. A '5' with a huge surface scratch like that, as well as a '7' with obvious color touch on it. I'm literally speechless right now.

And people thought it was crazy three days ago when I said the N162 or whatever was likely recolored because "PSA would catch that!"

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

And Peter....BOTH cards got the PWCC "High End" sticker. A '5' with a huge surface scratch like that, as well as a '7' with obvious color touch on it. I'm literally speechless right now.

I feel a bit vindicated in my opposition from day one to these stupid stickers.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I feel a bit vindicated in my opposition from day one to these stupid stickers.

The stickers carry no credibility at all at this point...

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Oh lord...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2342


They really blew the color job on that one.

That's a pretty quick turnaround time for a sale, doctoring, reslab, and resale. 4 months. Hmmmm....

[Peter_Spaeth]

The humanity.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297033

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The humanity.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297033

That's insane. Where does it end? Seems like just the tip of the iceberg.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

That's insane. Where does it end? Seems like just the tip of the iceberg.

Recall these are just cards from the last few years from one source; there are many bad sources. And only cards these guys have been able to find before and after evidence. Even as to the one source it wouldn't touch all the raw cards he buys. We may never see the iceberg but we can infer its size. If PWCC really wanted to do good for the hobby (yeah right) it would come clean on each and every card consigned by a questionable source. Guess -- it would be a staggering list.