Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[frankbmd]

The underworld is not transparent.

Show me the Card Fax.

Is buying a used card that different from buying a used car?

One benefits from the “repair” history of the car before the purchase.

Does the card doctor proudly put a sticker on the card to document his fine work?

Does the auction house reference their prior sale of the same card when the “altered and graded” card is relisted by the same auction house and have the gall to add a sticker that the card doctor omitted?

Does the grader acknowledge that the same, now altered, card has previously received a lower grade? Shouldn’t he know, even if there is no money passed under the table?

Do you really want to spend $10000, $20000 or more on a card without this information to garner an elite status gold star on a registry? Apparently many do.

To try to absolve any of the involved entities of guilt, by placing the blame on one of the others, is the pot calling the kettle black or vice versa. Are all the parties colluding in the scheme? Perhaps not to the same degree, but they are at least complicit.

If there was a true whistle blower at any of the stops along the way, the fraud would be uncovered. Blowout and Net54 both have members no doubt with skin in the game. But Redefining fraud to absolve oneself of guilt seems by most to be an insufficient tactic. To remain silent and wait for the wind to blow this away may be successful, but does not mean the fraud isn’t happening.

Disclaimer: I have never seen a Car Fax, or had any dealing with them

I would buy a 1992 Toyota without one, but would be more careful in the purchase of my Rolls Royce or Bentley.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

The underworld is not transparent.

Show me the Card Fax.

Is buying a used card that different from buying a used car?

One benefits from the “repair” history of the car before the purchase.

Does the card doctor proudly put a sticker on the card to document his fine work?

Does the auction house reference their prior sale of the same card when the “altered and graded” card is relisted by the same auction house and have the gall to add a sticker that the card doctor omitted?

Does the grader acknowledge that the same, now altered, card has previously received a lower grade? Shouldn’t he know, even if there is no money passed under the table.

Do you really want to spend $10000, $20000 or more on a card without this information to garner an elite status gold star on a registry? Apparently many do.

To try to absolve any of the involved entities of guilt, by placing the blame on one of the others, is the pot calling the kettle black or vice versa. Are all the parties colluding in the scheme? Perhaps not to the same degree, but they are at least complicit.

If there was a true whistle blower at any of the stops along the way, the fraud would be uncovered. Blowout and Net54 both have members no doubt with skin in the game. But Redefining fraud to absolve oneself of guilt seems by most to be an insufficient tactic. To remain silent and wait for the wind to blow this away may be successful, but does not mean the fraud isn’t happening.

Disclaimer: I have never seen a Car Fax, or had any dealing with them

I would buy a 1992 Toyota without one, but would be more careful in the purchase of my Rolls Royce or Bentley.

Kinda

EDIT: Shoulda seen it coming. I posted before I got to the next line.

[Bigdaddy]

I've always been an Eagles fan (the band, not the football team) and methinks Glenn Frey hit the nail on the head when he sang (from Smuggler's Blues):

"thre's lots of shady characters
lots of dirty deals
ev'ry name's an alias
in case somebody squeals
it's the lure of easy money
it's gotta very strong appeal"

I think every line of this chorus applies to this mess. From PSA to PWCC to Moser and the other trimmers to eBay aliases and shilling to the exponential difference in prices of high grade cards (PSA 8-10). Though we own that last one.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

I've always been an Eagles fan (the band, not the football team) and methinks Glenn Frey hit the nail on the head when he sang (from Smuggler's Blues):

"thre's lots of shady characters
lots of dirty deals
ev'ry name's an alias
in case somebody squeals
it's the lure of easy money
it's gotta very strong appeal"

I think every line of this chorus applies to this mess. From PSA to PWCC to Moser and the other trimmers to eBay aliases and shilling to the exponential difference in prices of high grade cards (PSA 8-10). Though we own that last one.

its those smugggglers blues!!!!!

[bobbyw8469]

Oh lord...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2342


They really blew the color job on that one.

[perezfan]

And we’re supposed to believe PSA really missed that??

Seriously, if there’s a company who’s worse at the ONE THING they’re supposed to do, I’d love to know who it is. Nice job, PSA!

I know we’ve already said it’s the “tip of the iceberg”. But I’m honestly losing count of these now.

[frankbmd]

Does PSA remove the pre-altered grade from their pop report when they add the grade of the altered version of the same card?

Pop Report enthusiasts should consider this when touting their pops.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Does PSA remove the pre-altered grade from their pop report when they add the grade of the altered version of the same card?

Pop Report enthusiasts should consider this when touting their pops.

I have put that request already in my wish list to Steve Sloan. There are some set registry ne'er-do-wells that probably still have them in their sets.

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Does PSA remove the pre-altered grade from their pop report when they add the grade of the altered version of the same card?

Pop Report enthusiasts should consider this when touting their pops.

How classic would it be if the population of one of the modern serial-numbered cards that has had example(s) involved with this trimming scandal has a PSA graded population higher than the highest serial number... this might actually be out there!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Oh lord...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2342


They really blew the color job on that one.

yuck

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

yuck

And Peter....BOTH cards got the PWCC "High End" sticker. A '5' with a huge surface scratch like that, as well as a '7' with obvious color touch on it. I'm literally speechless right now.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Oh lord...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=2342


They really blew the color job on that one.

That's a pretty quick turnaround time for a sale, doctoring, reslab, and resale. 4 months. Hmmmm....

[Peter_Spaeth]

The humanity.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297033