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Old 11-29-2018, 06:14 PM
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Have we found any irregularities about these four, which were found in a Steiner auction (of all places)? I know there have been individual postings about some or all of these. All it would take to add Steiner into the mix would be finding one of these to be fraudulent. It would also give us a New York nexus, and I happen to live here and would be happy to spend some time with the local law enforcement folks.

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https://auction.steinersports.com/19...lot104526.aspx
Yes, more info on these Steiner listings would be great
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:25 PM
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Has this site matured? The net54baseball site I know would have put the culprits name out there first and then consider guilt vs innocence.
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:33 PM
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I imagine a lot of folks keep checking back to see if the user ID was posted. I bet this group here could sweep the feedback history and find another couple dozen cards to add to the list. Interesting to watch this develop...
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:36 PM
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Sorry, edited to say: any chance to put sales prices on the page 1 post? A running rally would be good to see how big this fraud is becoming.

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Old 11-29-2018, 06:41 PM
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I feel horrible that this is happening and as an advanced autograph collector hope the perpetrator is caught....but-we all know about Coaches Corner and people like Anthony Nurse/Charity Grows. When the person is ousted, what makes you think any real financial harm will come to this guy (or girl I suppose) when the others are still selling forgeries in plain sight?
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Old 11-29-2018, 06:45 PM
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This is such an unfortunate, terrible turn of events. What a mess.

That said, like a couple earlier posters mentioned, this is one reason of the reasons I have always avoided autographed cards/balls (the other being that autographs simply don't appeal to me). The sheer number of autographed T206s has to be a major concern though.

As for trusting TPGs, I am reminded of a story I read once regarding PSA. There was some card show where PSA was setup for on-site card grading and autograph authentication. Someone at the show got an autograph from a guest at the show, walked over to PSA, and tried to get the autograph authenticated. PSA rejected it as not real.

On a lighter note: Where 3rd Bass Pete from Hauls of Shame when you need him?

On a more serious note: For all his flaws, Pete did a ton of work hammering on fakes and fraudulent autographs over the years.
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Man oh man, work kept me from checking the board in a bit, and I come back to find this. Amazing detective work by the Net54 community. This is just a really awful thing for our members with these cards.

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Old 11-29-2018, 07:39 PM
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On a lighter note: Where 3rd Bass Pete from Hauls of Shame when you need him?
You must have missed the post where Leon said links to his site were not allowable on Net54.
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As for trusting TPGs, I am reminded of a story I read once regarding PSA. There was some card show where PSA was setup for on-site card grading and autograph authentication. Someone at the show got an autograph from a guest at the show, walked over to PSA, and tried to get the autograph authenticated. PSA rejected it as not real.
While this goes to show the flaws in their opinion, this is actually a bit comforting (where really no comfort can come from this thread).

I get a few autos every year at the MAB show in Cooperstown. You go through the hotel, come out the back, then go to the front of the building again to get a cert from JSA. They didn’t watch the item get signed, they don’t ask for proof of the signing ticket, and they only look at the item to verify the signer and inscription. This process takes less than a minute to complete and is an excercise in book keeping rather than authentication. Whose to say that a guy signing at that show has a high price (Randy Johnson) and someone walks up with 5 decent fakes. Those are all most likely getting stickers and a cert card.

When I got my Montana Jersey signed at Shriners I brought it to PSA. They did bring the jersey out back for about 5 minutes and then it came out with a cert. I didn’t watch what they did but the process was super quick.

Point being as an autograph collector these types of things are concerning and essentially certs can be handed out on items that don’t even go through a process. Even if these processes are flawed (as we see they are).

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Sorry but

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Wtf is the guarantee if they are clearly wrong?
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Old 11-30-2018, 08:33 AM
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Yes, more info on these Steiner listings would be great
I got a call from Steiner this morning. I got a ton of information about the consignor, and am confident they came from an original collection of through-the-mail cards, including mostly index cards, from the 1950s and 1960s. They will be sending me some additional, corroborating provenance and information about the collection, which I will either post here or on my website or both.

So, I do not believe that Manny Anti-Forgers Inc. will be able to find unsigned versions of these four anywhere. They are good.

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