Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[1952boyntoncollector]

I dont know why when someone buys cards to than fake sign them, why not change the card more...i know you willl lose some money for a lesser condition card but doesnt these valued Autos make it worth it....if the new person took a corner off or put another black dot or two on it....nobody would of been the wiser.......

plus having 3 dot stains versus now 5 dots..probably changes the value hardly anything

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I dont know why when someone buys cards to than fake sign them, why not change the card more...i know you willl lose some money for a lesser condition card but doesnt these valued Autos make it worth it....if the new person took a corner off or put another black dot or two on it....nobody would of been the wiser.......

plus having 3 dot stains versus now 5 dots..probably changes the value hardly anything

And why did the forger buy slabbed cards which, obviously, can be traced?
That does not make sense to me.
Go to the National and scoop up raw cards would seem to be a much better way to do it.

[Fred]

Has anybody come up with a number of cards that have so far been proven to be incorrectly authenticated as original?

If so, has anyone also come up with the amount of money spent on the known/proven fakes?

[SetBuilder]

Originally Posted by Fred

Has anybody come up with a number of cards that have so far been proven to be incorrectly authenticated as original?

If so, has anyone also come up with the amount of money spent on the known/proven fakes?

There is a list in the first post.

I'm counting a dozen (11 in this thread + the Marquard in Cliff's thread), plus two maybes.

[Fred]

Has anybody come up with a number of cards that have so far been proven to be incorrectly authenticated as original?

If so, has anyone also come up with the amount of money spent on the known/proven fakes?

Originally Posted by SetBuilder

There is a list in the first post.

I'm counting a dozen (11 in this thread + the Marquard in Cliff's thread), plus two maybes.

Has anybody added up the total dollars yet? Looks to be into 5 digits at this point.

[insidethewrapper]

When you look at some of these dealers on ebay , they have had 3 or 4 different ID's in their history . Why do you have to change your ID on ebay so often ?

[swarmee]

I started doing it in a post in this thread.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=166

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Fred

Has anybody added up the total dollars yet? Looks to be into 5 digits at this point.

I'm at $18,792.80 and counting alone...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I'm at $18,792.80 and counting alone...

How is your day going otherwise?

[Fred]

N172 4640 1
N173 58 0
N300 600 1

T3 and T9 6421 1
T201 9869 0
T204 2727 0
T205 37664 7
T206 229758 78

E94 Close 620 1
E101 674 1
E102 632 1
E90-1 4922 0
E90-2 271 0
E90-3 269 1
E91 579 2
E92 blank back 3 0
E92 Crofts Candy 238 0
E92 Crofts Cocoa 95 0
E92 Dockmans 1427 0
E92 Nadja 287 0
E93 Stadard Car 1756 0
E95 Phila Caramel 2024 1
E97 Briggs 498 1
E104-1 Nadja Phil 104 0
E104-2 Nadja Pitt 26 0
E104-3 18 0
E105 Mello Mint 278 1
M116 Sporting Life 6754 0
1933 Goudey 82524 1218
1934 Goudey 22443 133
1939 Playball 21037 210
1940 Playball 22092 173

[Fred]

The first column is the card issue, the second column is the number of cards slabbed by PSA, the third number is the number of autographed cards "authenticated"

N172 4640 1
N173 58 0
N300 600 1

T3 and T9 6421 1
T201 9869 0
T204 2727 0
T205 37664 7
T206 229758 78

E94 Close 620 1
E101 674 1
E102 632 1
E90-1 4922 0
E90-2 271 0
E90-3 269 1
E91 579 2
E92 blank back 3 0
E92 Crofts Candy 238 0
E92 Crofts Cocoa 95 0
E92 Dockmans 1427 0
E92 Nadja 287 0
E93 Stadard Car 1756 0
E95 Phila Caramel 2024 1
E97 Briggs 498 1
E104-1 Nadja Phil 104 0
E104-2 Nadja Pitt 26 0
E104-3 18 0
E105 Mello Mint 278 1
M116 Sporting Life 6754 0
1933 Goudey 82524 1218
1934 Goudey 22443 133
1939 Playball 21037 210
1940 Playball 22092 173


Holy crap look at the 1933 Goudeys! I wonder if PSA, SGC and JSA will provide numbers related to the number of autograph submissions they've had in the past year or two? Anybody wanna bet that the past year or two have seen a HUGE increase in submissions.

[jad22]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

And why did the forger buy slabbed cards which, obviously, can be traced?
That does not make sense to me.
Go to the National and scoop up raw cards would seem to be a much better way to do it.

They probably got smarter and starting doing that. At what point did the cards start to get altered?

[CuriousGeorge]

It’s a sad day when I would trust Manny to authenticate a card before I’d trust Jim Spence. And there is no question I would. I have a ton of baseballs authenticated by Spence too. I’d be better off sending to Manny to look at. Manny, start giving us your rates so we can begin to send you business. I’m sure Leon can sell you some prime advertising space to help get it going.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Hmmm.. I had thought from a previous post we were in for an imminent reveal, but maybe not?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

And why did the forger buy slabbed cards which, obviously, can be traced?
That does not make sense to me.
Go to the National and scoop up raw cards would seem to be a much better way to do it.

The beauty of Cardtarget and Worthpoint, however, is that even if you do that, you never know if that card was sold on eBay or another online source that is tracked there. So you could still be outed. However, there is the making of the new fingerprints so to speak to still worry about...

[Jerry G]

T206Collector- Just a note to say that I admire your attitude under a very trying situation. You are an outstanding role model for our hobby. Keep your chin up. The Net54 hounds are on his trail! Man, these guys are determined!

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Jerry G

T206Collector- Just a note to say that I admire your attitude under a very trying situation. You are an outstanding role model for our hobby. Keep your chin up. The Net54 hounds are on his trail! Man, these guys are determined!

Thanks Jerry. I really appreciate the comments. I hope you’ll remember that you felt this way if I flip out about this down the road!

[t206kid]

Originally Posted by Jerry G

T206Collector- Just a note to say that I admire your attitude under a very trying situation. You are an outstanding role model for our hobby. Keep your chin up. The Net54 hounds are on his trail! Man, these guys are determined!

Agreed. Best customer service I've had in a problem situation. I can't wait for the dust to settle.

[Madi$on18joshua]

Originally Posted by Jerry G

T206Collector- Just a note to say that I admire your attitude under a very trying situation. You are an outstanding role model for our hobby. Keep your chin up. The Net54 hounds are on his trail! Man, these guys are determined!

+1 he is handling BEYOND amazing!!! It’s my hope you get your $$$ for all the bad ones and I am sure you will. IMO this will change the hobby of collecting t206 autos... I’d be scared to death to buy one now regardless of who authenticated it.


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[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Madi$on18joshua

+1 he is handling BEYOND amazing!!! It’s my hope you get your $$$ for all the bad ones and I am sure you will.

Thanks ...and the E98 you bought from me on eBay last night is in the mail!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I dont know why when someone buys cards to than fake sign them, why not change the card more...i know you willl lose some money for a lesser condition card but doesnt these valued Autos make it worth it....if the new person took a corner off or put another black dot or two on it....nobody would of been the wiser.......

plus having 3 dot stains versus now 5 dots..probably changes the value hardly anything

They did.