T206 Buyers Beware

[tedzan]

The brown ink captions of the white-bordered T-cards must of been a separate stage in the printing process (1909-1912). In the post 1912 T-card era,
American Litho. switched to printing the captions with blue ink.

My point here is that you cannot depend on a precise alignment of the caption lettering with respect to the image to indicate that a card is a "repro" (or not).

And, then there are those T206's without a caption....such as my no-caption T206 Ryan.





TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The brown ink captions of the white-bordered T-cards must of been a separate stage in the printing process (1909-1912).

TED Z

Evidence points to the captions for the T206's being printed during the same brown color pass as the image. If the brown color pass is off registration in the image, the caption is off as well.

[z28jd]

I have Carrigan's where you can watch the name move, regular alignment, followed by the big letters just barely touching the board to all the letters slightly into the border. You can see the brown in his glove, especially where it meets the picture of the buttocks(I assume its the back of his hand), moves up as the name moves up.

Edited to add that these are all Polar Bear backs, just an interesting ICYDK(FYI that means in case you didn't know)

[iggyman]

Originally Posted by tedzan

My point here is that you cannot depend on a precise alignment of the caption lettering with respect to the image to indicate that a card is a "repro" (or not).

Ted, I'm not arguing that the brown lettering does not shift in one direction or the other. What I'm trying to say (which others have said far better then me), is that if the brown lettering on the bottom shifts, then anything else with brown lettering in the image should also shift.

The Sovereign Mathewson does not seem to follow this rule.

Lovely Day...

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Ted, I'm not arguing that the brown lettering does not shift in one direction or the other. What I'm trying to say (which others have said far better then me), is that if the brown lettering on the bottom shifts, then anything else with brown lettering in the image should also shift.

The Sovereign Mathewson does not seem to follow this rule.

Lovely Day...

Iggy

I would venture to say that all 524 images of the T206 set have Brown ink on them. Yet, like my Ryan card, some were printed without their Brown caption.

Tim's illustration, not withstanding, there must of have been situations where the printing of the image and the printing of the caption were separate stages.
Otherwise, how would "No-Caption" T206's exist ?

I'm not certain, though, that this answers you question ?


TED Z

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Iggy

I would venture to say that all 524 images of the T206 set have Brown ink on them. Yet, like my Ryan card, some were printed without their Brown caption.

Tim's illustration, not withstanding, there must of have been situations where the printing of the image and the printing of the caption were separate stages.
Otherwise, how would "No-Caption" T206's exist ?

I'm not certain, though, that this answers you question ?


TED Z

Ted, I'll be the once to say this since you and I get along well and you'll know I'm not being malicious: it looks like the brown might be 'pulled down' a little on your card (the dark goes lower on his hairline than a typical Ryan card); that, and the fact that most of the area where the caption would have been printed is cut off, leads me to think that yours originally had a caption.

[tedzan]

Scott

I originally thought the same. However, two factors have convinced me that this Ryan card is a No-Caption.

The card is over-sized (top-to-bottom)

And, I have had several others who have seen it, and agree it's ca[tion is missing.

Hey guy, if you are at the National in Baltimore this summer, you are welcome to check it out.


TED Z

[iggyman]

Ted,

With your years of handling thousands of T206 cards, can you recall ever seeing the caption missing and a full bottom border? I'll defer to your expertise on the Ryan card, but as Scott mentioned, it is a mighty small bottom border. I would love to see it in-hand, perhaps one day.

In my mind, the next step is to look for a T206 card with the bottom brown name shifted in one direction but the brown in the image not shifted. Does a card like that exist???

Lovely Day...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Scott

I originally thought the same. However, two factors have convinced me that this Ryan card is a No-Caption.

The card is over-sized (top-to-bottom)

And, I have had several others who have seen it, and agree it's ca[tion is missing.

Hey guy, if you are at the National in Baltimore this summer, you are welcome to check it out.


TED Z

Sounds good - I have every intention of being there. I'll pick up a Ryan with good registration and bring my magnifier.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Scott

I originally thought the same. However, two factors have convinced me that this Ryan card is a No-Caption.

The card is over-sized (top-to-bottom)

And, I have had several others who have seen it, and agree it's ca[tion is missing.

TED Z

The card being oversized isn't proof of a no name strike. It is more likely that the card was in the top row of the sheet. It then could have been miscut yielding a oversized card with large top border and small bottom border. Iggy's side by side illustrates that the name caption could have been below the cut.