T206 Buyers Beware

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Is it possible that they removed only the front image (black box and inward, only) from a real EPDG-backed card, scraped the image off, then glued a real Cy Young image into the hole and 'cleaned up', as opposed to re-backing the card?

It is virtually impossible to "re-back" a T206 card which will get past a Grading Co. Conversely, you can "shave" the front off a T206 card, and laminate a reproduced front.
A professional paper restorer can accomplish this so that a Grading Co. will not discern that it is a FAKE. This is exactly what was done 12 years ago when we saw Cobb's,
Matty's, etc. with impossible F/B combos.

I posted a Net54 thread on this process 2 years ago titled...." Rebacked T206's....heck NO....perhaps, they are Re-Fronted DRUM, HINDU cards ? "
Here is the Link......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=re-fronted

I was criticized back then by quite a number of Net54er's, when I claimed that the red Cobb with the red HINDU back was a Re-Fronted fake. Since then, some of my critics
have come around to agreeing with me regarding this particular red Cobb/red HINDU card.

Regarding these two latest fakes, I guess the scammers cannot find anymore tougher backs to "gimmick up"....such as common T206 DRUM's, Red HINDU's, and UZIT cards.

Consider this......the bad news was the LOST commons of DRUM's, red HINDU's, and UZIT cards that were RUINED in the process of these scammers attempts to Re-Front
STAR cards.

The good news (so far) is that these scammers are unfamiliar with the F/B combos of these T206's; therefore, we caught most of these fakes.


T-Rex TED

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I was criticized back then by quite a number of Net54er's, when I claimed that the red Cobb with the red HINDU back was a Re-Fronted fake. Since then, some of my critics
have come around to agreeing with me regarding this particular red Cobb/red HINDU card.

T-Rex TED

Ted, it's not always about us and them. If you could share your information without pointing out who is/was right and wrong, it might be easier to swallow.

"Critics, detractors, I was right, they've come around" etc. It doesn't make it easy to read and comes off like you have an agenda.

Just my .02 cents.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

It doesn't make it easy to read and comes off like you have an agenda.

Jason

The only "agenda" I had when I posted that thread 2 years ago....and, the only "agenda" I currently have is to caution Net54er's, so that some one isn't stuck
spending a lot of their hard-earned $$$$ buying a FAKE card.


Incidently Jason....thanks for referring Mike B to me, regarding the LENOX card.


TED Z

[obcmac]

I'm curious...did anybody ever figure out where these cards originated?

Also, did they only create impossible combos, or did they make other fakes too? I'm kind of shocked to hear that the reproduced fronts can slip by graders...but I guess I shouldn't be.

Mac

[bundy462]

I stumbled across a WoJo portrait with a Carolina Brights back about a year or so ago. I believe it was one of these. I don't think that's a possible combination. I don't recall where it was or what the price was, it was when I was just getting into pre-war cards and before my net54 days. It was, of course, immaculate.

[atx840]

As suggested, could one not take a high grade common, cut out the player along the black border to hide the switch, replace it with a clean authentic Mathewson portrait from a card with border issues, remove the name and stamp Mathewson on it?

And then there is this controversial card

[Abravefan11]

Chris - I'm sure anything is possible but cutting the image out of the border seems unlikely to me. The most plausible to me is that the entire front was removed and replaced. A board member once showed an example of a T206 with a Piedmont back that he had removed the front and replaced with a T205 front. In this case it appears the fronts being added to the real backs are fake. Again I haven't held one in my hand, but I would like to.

The Cobb red Hindu is great fodder for debate but I have yet to speak with anyone that can show me evidence that the card isn't good. I have heard the stories and rumors and I have learned some of them simply are not true. The card might not be good but at this point I haven't seen any reason to say it isn't.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

It is virtually impossible to "re-back" a T206 card which will get past a Grading Co. Conversely, you can "shave" the front off a T206 card, and laminate a reproduced front.
A professional paper restorer can accomplish this so that a Grading Co. will not discern that it is a FAKE. This is exactly what was done 12 years ago when we saw Cobb's,
Matty's, etc. with impossible F/B combos.

.................

T-Rex TED

Thanks Ted - very good information.