T205 American Beauty Back Question

[nebboy]

Thanks for the input Leaon but the info that Joshua is putting together is the kind of info Im looking for. A extensive checklist of front/back combos for the harder to factory backs.

Ive been working on a Piedmont 42s list for close to a year and have found 37confirmed diffrent players so far. But was woundering if the information is already out there somewhere. (Am I wasting my time?)

Any help or info is welcome. John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nebboy

Thanks for the input Leaon but the info that Joshua is putting together is the kind of info Im looking for. A extensive checklist of front/back combos for the harder to factory backs.

Ive been working on a Piedmont 42s list for close to a year and have found 37confirmed diffrent players so far. But was woundering if the information is already out there somewhere. (Am I wasting my time?)

Any help or info is welcome. John

Hi John
So the answer about Burdick doing checklists would be "no", for each series. He did the sets. Now, his close associate, Charles Bray, did do checklists. I will check those and see if he did any concerning the backs. I doubt it would be anywhere close to what could be done today in a minute fraction of the time....I would take Joshua's info over most other.....I am still wanting to see a T205 Hindu Cobb...that would be a great combination...

[Wite3]

Leon,
I can tell you now that might be a LONG wait...no Hindu backed cards seem to be found with players that appear with Hassan backs. Cobb comes with a Hassan back, therefore, I theorize that he will not be one of the subjects of the Hindu subset.

John,
I have 69 confirmed subjects with Piedmont 42 backs. If you want to compare notes, drop me an email.

Joshua

[tedzan]

Your ".....I am still wanting to see a T205 Hindu Cobb...that would be a great combination... "

...... "wanting", or "waiting" ? ?


In either event....it aint going to happen. I'm sure you know that Cobb was printed with 6 (or 7) T205 backs.
But, just like the T206 series Cobb(s), they do not exist with a HINDU back.

This phenomena falls back to my "Factory #649 theory" regarding no T205 or T206 Cobb's inserted in packs from this Rochester, NY plant.


Joshua

Have you ever seen a HASSAN (Factory #649) Cobb ?

I would bet that they are all Factory #30 HASSAN Cobb's.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This phenomena falls back to my "Factory #649 theory" regarding no T205 or T206 Cobb's inserted in packs from this Rochester, NY plant.


Joshua

Have you ever seen a HASSAN (Factory #649) Cobb ?

I would bet that they are all Factory #30 HASSAN Cobb's.


TED Z

This conspiracy theory continues to be perpetuated which shows in the case of T206's a basic misunderstanding of how the cards were printed and distributed.

I can't speak directly to the T205 Hassan backs as I admittedly don't know a lot about them but I do know that T202's were printed with Cobb on both the center and end panels with Hassan backs and distributed out of Factory 649.

In fact Cobb was literally the poster boy for Hassan cigarettes.

[wonkaticket]

Tim, great point.

[tedzan]

Why are you comparing "apples with oranges" ?

I have NEVER stated that the two subsequent issues (T201's and T202's) to the T206's and T205's did not have Cobb's out
of Factory 649.
Indeed, I have a complete T201 set with both MECCA (Factory 30 & 649) Cobb's. Furthermore, I have a T202 Cobb with a
HASSAN (Factory 649) back. So, this is nothing new.

Can you please stick the the subject which pertains only to the T206's and T205's, as I have theorized......

Show us any of the four Cobb's in the T206 set with a HINDU (Factory 649) back ?

Or, show us a T205 Cobb with a HINDU or a HASSAN (Factory 649) back ? ?

I don't think you can....Tim !

It is you, who apparently has a basic misunderstanding of how certain cards were printed and distributed.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/169.html

[cfc1909]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This phenomena falls back to my "Factory #649 theory" regarding no T205 or T206 Cobb's inserted in packs from this Rochester, NY plant.




TED Z

amazing-how did you figure this out?

[tedzan]

Andrew

Since I am being accused of "de-railing" this thread....I will try to get it back on track.
My records indicate that the T205 Ty Cobb card is available with these 6 backs.........

AMERICAN BEAUTY Factory 42

HASSAN Factory 30

HONEST Long Cut

PIEDMONT Factory 25

PIEDMONT Factory 42

POLAR BEAR


Can you (or anyone here) account for any other backs that the Cobb is found with ?


TED Z

[Wite3]

Ted,
Those are the six backs that Cobb comes with and have been confirmed by my research (meaning, I own one, held one or have seen very clear scans of one).

I will tell you that a T205 Cobb will most likely never occur with a Hassan 649 back. It is in a grouping of cards that is not found with that particular back. Hassan 649 backs are also common, not like a Hindu or Broadleaf card from either T206 or T205. One certainly would have been seen by now. Is it impossible...not at all since new finds are popping up all the time but I stand by my theory and research.

Incidentally...the cards that fall into Cobb's grouping tend to be several of the cards that were replaced or switched in later print runs. T205 print runs are far more complicated than T206 print runs with certain cards being switched out, fixed, eliminated and added.

Joshua