T205 American Beauty Back Question

[nebboy]

This brings up a good question. With all the great work in that past on T206 combos. Is there a survey/checklist for T205 confirmed list of player/back combination for the harder to find backs. Did Burdick or anyone ever put together research for T205s. Ive done quite a bit of searching but have not found any. Any help?

Drum
Hindu
Broad Leaf (both)
Piedmount 42
Am Beatuty (both)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nebboy

This brings up a good question. With all the great work in that past on T206 combos. Is there a survey/checklist for T205 confirmed list of player/back combination for the harder to find backs. Did Burdick or anyone ever put together research for T205s. Ive done quite a bit of searching but have not found any. Any help?

Drum
Hindu
Broad Leaf (both)
Piedmount 42
Am Beatuty (both)

We have had this discussion several times and I still put Hindu as the rarest T205 back, then Drum. Drums will probably always have more value because of the status they have with T206. Just my opinion on that...


As for Burdick.... I can help out a little bit. I plan on doing a major, in depth article some time in the future concerning the whole ACC and cataloging of cards but for now here is a very first page of the Tobacco Cards from the 1939 "The US Card Collectors Catalog" by Burdick and the last version he did in 1967, called "The American Card Catalog"...(note no T205 (520) Hindu, ever, but a Drum did pop up ). Hope this helps.....much appreciated.....

[Wite3]

It always amazes me when I get three emails in one day about t205s and need for my "guidance" on the board...not my words!!

I will answer a few questions for you...I think Ted is using old formula for T205s that I put together a few years back and it is still pretty close to the truth.

First, American Beauty backs come with a Brownish/Blackish color and a Green color. Neither seems rarer. I have confirmed 3 more subjects with the Black back than the green back but I suspect that it is a fairly even distribution. NO players are confirmed as being featured on both color backs.

With a few Drum finds in the recent years, I do have to say that Hindu is now rarer. I have confirmed roughly that there are close to twice as many confirmed Drum subjects currently in the hobby...now the weird part...I have seen three different Hindu cards of the same player. Until very recently, I has never seen a duplicate Drum back. I have a feeling that the Hindus might have had a higher print run but less are out there currently but who really knows? Not I.

I do have a fairly extensive checklist of front/back combos and I know I have been promising collectors (Ted, Matt, Mac, Lyman, Geno, etc.) for awhile that I will publish it "soon" but just have not had the time like I used to. Although, this summer I am off of work for the first time in nearly 10 years so maybe I will get to it.

Hope this helps.

Joshua Levine

[nebboy]

Thanks for the input Leaon but the info that Joshua is putting together is the kind of info Im looking for. A extensive checklist of front/back combos for the harder to factory backs.

Ive been working on a Piedmont 42s list for close to a year and have found 37confirmed diffrent players so far. But was woundering if the information is already out there somewhere. (Am I wasting my time?)

Any help or info is welcome. John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nebboy

Thanks for the input Leaon but the info that Joshua is putting together is the kind of info Im looking for. A extensive checklist of front/back combos for the harder to factory backs.

Ive been working on a Piedmont 42s list for close to a year and have found 37confirmed diffrent players so far. But was woundering if the information is already out there somewhere. (Am I wasting my time?)

Any help or info is welcome. John

Hi John
So the answer about Burdick doing checklists would be "no", for each series. He did the sets. Now, his close associate, Charles Bray, did do checklists. I will check those and see if he did any concerning the backs. I doubt it would be anywhere close to what could be done today in a minute fraction of the time....I would take Joshua's info over most other.....I am still wanting to see a T205 Hindu Cobb...that would be a great combination...

[Wite3]

Leon,
I can tell you now that might be a LONG wait...no Hindu backed cards seem to be found with players that appear with Hassan backs. Cobb comes with a Hassan back, therefore, I theorize that he will not be one of the subjects of the Hindu subset.

John,
I have 69 confirmed subjects with Piedmont 42 backs. If you want to compare notes, drop me an email.

Joshua

[tedzan]

Your ".....I am still wanting to see a T205 Hindu Cobb...that would be a great combination... "

...... "wanting", or "waiting" ? ?


In either event....it aint going to happen. I'm sure you know that Cobb was printed with 6 (or 7) T205 backs.
But, just like the T206 series Cobb(s), they do not exist with a HINDU back.

This phenomena falls back to my "Factory #649 theory" regarding no T205 or T206 Cobb's inserted in packs from this Rochester, NY plant.


Joshua

Have you ever seen a HASSAN (Factory #649) Cobb ?

I would bet that they are all Factory #30 HASSAN Cobb's.


TED Z