Goodwin Pickups

[calvindog]

And finally, Bob, try to have more respect for defense lawyers. It's a thankless job sometimes and very stressful. After all, I have respect for the company which hosts Goodwin's auctions, i.e. yours, so turnabout should be fair play.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And finally, Bob, try to have more respect for defense lawyers. It's a thankless job sometimes and very stressful. After all, I have respect for the company which hosts Goodwin's auctions, i.e. yours, so turnabout should be fair play.

really? ouch.

[Anthony S.]

Originally Posted by Matt

really? ouch.

Really.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87562

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And finally, Bob, try to have more respect for defense lawyers. It's a thankless job sometimes and very stressful. After all, I have respect for the company which hosts Goodwin's auctions, i.e. yours, so turnabout should be fair play.

Well, I asked him what his "facts" were and got no response. I guess I know why.

[calvindog]

Jim, I certainly don't mind if Bill's friends chime in and support him as long as they note their biases; after all, what are friends for? What's worse is when some support Bill and/or attack me and fail to note their financial bias; this is misleading. You know, like if someone who was attacking me was a big consignor to Bill. Or wrote his flowery and often grammatically incorrect auction write-ups. Or who tried to collect money for Bill.

Now isn't it time to attack Dave Forman again?

[botn]

Jeff you are projecting again. Nobody on this thread has attacked you. At this point I would be hard pressed to not defend JP when it his turn to burned at the stake by you.

[oldjudge]

Jeff--Extremely interesting. The thing I find most confusing is that a PSA9 Mantle sold three times in six months, all in Goodwin auctions. The first and last sales were not abnormally priced, just the second. Do you know if these were all the same card or if they were different ones? If the same, that would make your analysis even more damming. Also, while it is always possible that a consignor had a friend shill up his or her lot, you need an underbidder to get this high. Unless there were two shills that still implies at least one "agressive" bidder out there. If you are implying that Bill ran these up, why would he do it on the middle auction but not on the other two?

[Kenny Cole]

I find some of the information Jeff has posted disturbing to say the least. However, my experiences with Goodwin have all been pretty good (except for that time where they forgot to mail me the card I won for quite some time -- that got fixed pretty quickly after I called though). I can only remember placing two "toppling" bids, one of which I won under my max and one of which I lost. The other times I won (and I have certainly lost some as well), I did so the old fashioned way -- I stayed up and bid again when someone outbid me on a card I really wanted. I guess that could have been a friend of the consignor bidding me up, but I certainly wouldn't allege that because I have no basis upon which to make that type of accusation.

BTW, I don't have a dog in this fight in terms of being a consignor. I have never consigned even one of my cards to Goodwin, Mastro . . . er Legendary, REA, Mile High, or anyone else. My card buying habits are akin to the proverbial black hole. Once I suck them in, they never go back out. Unless a catastrophe occurs or I die (in which case I suspect that my wife will happily clear out all those pieces of cardboard that obstruct her ability to have her clothes fill up every closet in our house), my cards will remain in my safes and safe deposit boxes and I will continue to buy, not sell.

While my anecdotal experience with Goodwin does not by any means prove or disprove any of the allegations that have been made in this post, it is also circumstantial evidence. Fair is fair, and if the suspicious auction results are going to be focused on, so should those results which seem to be on the up and up. My two cents.

Kenny Cole

[Peter_Spaeth]

Kenny of course most of the auction results are within reason but with due respect that isn't the point. IF, and I say if because I don't know, even one auction was shilled, or a sale reported that didn't occur (see Corey's post on the potential harm that can cause), that would be wrong. So even a small subset of prices that seem dramatically out of line (and quite a few have been posted and these are just examples from what I have observed), or cards for sale after they supposedly were auctioned, or cards that seem to be recycled through auctions, that in my always humble opinion is worthy of being discussed. And that is all it is, a discussion, not a trial or a witchhunt.

If the threshold for being allowed to discuss the potential that wrongdoing has occurred is "proof," one could almost never discuss such things on a forum like this. I am sure there are many people here who would prefer it that way. But I think it's a legitimate discussion.