How to find the commons.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

A highly pertinent fact mysteriously and strangely kept out until right now! It is my acumen at math, of course, that should allow me to divine information you didn't disclose, say, or hint at it while repeatedly talking about trading a lower grade card for a higher one! I cannot imagine why you are having problems making deals with people.

It wasn't left out or asked before you're personal attack towards me. The person could very well be a poster here and I'm not going to give the email out word for word. It ended without a response from the other party, and that's where it stayed.

My first response was will you sell, his was I don't want to break the set, my next was how about a lower grade card to keep your set complete and nothing after. Both cash and card from my end for his card.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It never got that far becausehe stopped responding, but yes I would have included cash. His end was all about keeping the set, not about the grade or at least that wasn't the impression I got from him.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It wasn't left out or asked before you're personal attack towards me. The person could very well be a poster here and I'm not going to give the email out word for word. It ended without a response from the other party, and that's where it stayed.

My first response was will you sell, his was I don't want to break the set, my next was how about a lower grade card to keep your set complete and nothing after. Both cash and card from my end for his card.

It sounds like you never made it clear to him that you were offering cash and the lower grade card. Even though he stopped responding, maybe send him another email making that clear and saying how much cash you're willing to include and see if that gets a response.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It wasn't left out or asked before you're personal attack towards me. The person could very well be a poster here and I'm not going to give the email out word for word. It ended without a response from the other party, and that's where it stayed.

My first response was will you sell, his was I don't want to break the set, my next was how about a lower grade card to keep your set complete and nothing after. Both cash and card from my end for his card.

If you want to bitch at personal attacks, go read your posts about me lol. Looks like I was indeed correct, you're telling different versions to different comments. This isn't the bullshit of "card and cash" that I was supposed to magically divine (which somehow equals math) just a few posts ago. In this version of cash OR card you offered cash, he rejected, you then offered instead a lower grade copy of the same card and he ignored you, probably for the obvious reason that that is a rip off.

Whatever the actual truth is or which of your disparate stories is true, you are not going to close many deals this way. Collectors or types of them are not "bad for the hobby" because they do not serve your personal interests. Your personal interests are special to you and only you, not to anyone else. They have absolutely nothing to do with "the hobby".

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

If you want to bitch at personal attacks, go read your posts about me lol. Looks like I was indeed correct, you're telling different versions to different comments. This isn't the bullshit of "card and cash" that I was supposed to magically divine (which somehow equals math) just a few posts ago. In this version of cash OR card you offered cash, he rejected, you then offered instead a lower grade copy of the same card and he ignored you, probably for the obvious reason that that is a rip off.

Whatever the actual truth is or which of your disparate stories is true, you are not going to close many deals this way. Collectors or types of them are not "bad for the hobby" because they do not serve your personal interests. Your personal interests are special to you and only you, not to anyone else. They have absolutely nothing to do with "the hobby".

Are you spending 50% of your time crying? I'll clue you in on the first response talking about a transaction. Notice a funny thing about won't sell and then offered a lower grade card. When you sell or buy something doesthat typically include currency?

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Are you spending 50% of your time crying? I'll clue you in on the first response talking about a transaction. Notice a funny thing about won't sell and then offered a lower grade card. When you sell or buy something doesthat typically include currency?

For me I just inquired about a card that a set collector has. No dice won't sell[/B]. Took a decade to get the complete set. Doesn't really care about the players in the set, just that it's complete. I even offered to trade him a lower grade for what he had, and no more response. Still a complete set for him. I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect. It has personal value to me for multiple reasons.

Cash AND card is very different from Cash OR card. A few posts ago it was AND. Last post it was OR. Maybe you should examine your own abilities here. One post you are emphatically not a collector, the next you are back to bemoaning there are not many cards for you to collect. Cards have value to a lot of us for many reasons. You are not special, regardless of how much you think you are. Other people, especially those you don't know, don't put your 'special' interests over their own. The hobby and your personal interests are completely different things. If you don't like that fact, tough shit lol. You are only the main character of your narrative, just like the rest of us.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

Cash AND card is very different from Cash OR card. A few posts ago it was AND. Last post it was OR. Maybe you should examine your own abilities here. One post you are emphatically not a collector, the next you are back to bemoaning there are not many cards for you to collect. Cards have value to a lot of us for many reasons. You are not special, regardless of how much you think you are. Other people, especially those you don't know, don't put your 'special' interests over their own. The hobby and your personal interests are completely different things. If you don't like that fact, tough shit lol. You are only the main character of your narrative, just like the rest of us.

Again, it was sell and sweetened with card after he said he didn't want to break the set. It didn't go from cash to lower grade card. I've never claimed my interest or the so called being special (your summarization of me) trumps others that's your unicorn, nor do I try to play that with anyone. If they ask why my interest or want my back story then I'll include that. I already stated that as well. If you think my interest isn't more then yours for the three I listed I don't really care about you're opinion. I'm sure if you had players in your bloodline you may see my view differently.

Here's the truth. Most people don't care about the players they collect. They care about completing a set. It doesn't matter who's in it. I don't care about set's I care about 3 people that have meaning beyond a collection. It's not a collection to me. It's extremely challenging to find items this rare. Another poster summed it up very well. The HOFers are easy compared to finding the common players. Every auction has HOFer cards as long as you have the cash. When you're looking for obscure players with very low registry and pop numbers that's my world. I've exhausted about every known card that I can contact the owner. I've been trying to find items since I joined and I haven't gotten any cards from here yet, but I'll keep trying.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Again, it was sell and sweetened with card after he said he didn't want to break the set. It didn't go from cash to lower grade card. I've never claimed my interest or the so called being special (your summarization of me) trumps others that's your unicorn, nor do I try to play that with anyone. If they ask why my interest or want my back story then I'll include that. I already stated that as well. If you think my interest isn't more then yours for the three I listed I don't really care about you're opinion. I'm sure if you had players in your bloodline you may see my view differently.

Here's the truth. Most people don't care about the players they collect. They care about completing a set. It doesn't matter who's in it. I don't care about set's I care about 3 people that have meaning beyond a collection. It's not a collection to me. It's extremely challenging to find items this rare. Another poster summed it up very well. The HOFers are easy compared to finding the common players. Every auction has HOFer cards as long as you have the cash. When you're looking for obscure players with very low registry and pop numbers that's my world. I've exhausted about every known card that I can contact the owner. I've been trying to find items since I joined and I haven't gotten any cards from here yet, but I'll keep trying.

It's really difficult to figure out what's true and not because the story keeps changing. In your last version here, it was CASH, then it was CARD. Not both. Your original version only discussed card.

You are somehow not collecting or building a collection, but you are a collector looking to collect. You insist you aren't collecting, then you are. It's really hard to keep up with your bullshit because you keep contradicting yourself on even the most basic things.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It's not a collection.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It's not collecting.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect.

You have, several times, insisted on the superiority of your collecting or whatever-you-want-call-it-this-post. Hell, we can just look at the top. You made a thread asking what the worst type of collectors are because a set collector didn't give you a card you feel entitled to and you want to whine about collectors, which you both are and are not yourself depending on which post it is. Your answer was collectors that don't sell (meaning, of course, this guy to you). Because somehow, your collecting is more important than the set collectors who is apparently not looking to downgrade.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

What about ones that don't care, and won't sell? This kind of reminds me of another hobby I had. Vintage cars. People would let em rot in the ground, and wouldn't sell. I just don't get that line of thinking.

You made a whole thread because you are salty a collector didn't accept your offer, which may be cash, card, or both depending on which post is actually true, if any of them.

I can't imagine why you aren't getting cards from here, but good luck in your collecting or not-collecting or whatever. I'm sure making threads bitching people didn't swap a nicer card for a lesser one will help your quest.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's really difficult to figure out what's true and not because the story keeps changing. In your last version here, it was CASH, then it was CARD. Not both. Your original version only discussed card.

You are somehow not collecting or building a collection, but you are a collector looking to collect. You insist you aren't collecting, then you are. It's really hard to keep up with your bullshit because you keep contradicting yourself on even the most basic things.








You have, several times, insisted on the superiority of your collecting or whatever-you-want-call-it-this-post. Hell, we can just look at the top. You made a thread asking what the worst type of collectors are because a set collector didn't give you a card you feel entitled to and you want to whine about collectors, which you both are and are not yourself depending on which post it is. Your answer was collectors that don't sell (meaning, of course, this guy to you). Because somehow, your collecting is more important than the set collectors who is apparently not looking to downgrade.

You made a whole thread because you are salty a collector didn't accept your offer, which may be cash, card, or both depending on which post is actually true, if any of them.

I can't imagine why you aren't getting cards from here, but good luck in your collecting or not-collecting or whatever. I'm sure making threads bitching people didn't swap a nicer card for a lesser one will help your quest.

I was going to let this go, and let it die, but I need to help your difficulties of understanding something very simple. My stance has never changed which you keep claiming as fact.

Again I'll try to slow things down so you can comprehend.

The deal started as do you want to sell the card.

Definition of sell
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.

His response back was no thanks I don't want to break a set.

My 2nd and last response was I'll include a lower grade card so you will still have s full set in which he didn't respond, at which point I didn't bother him any further. Pretty damn simple. Your mountain, meet molehill.

It was a transaction attempt I'd imagine many people here have done. That was if you care to read my initial post. You just chose to read it incorrectly or couldn't grasp what was said. Since it's still ongoing I'd say both are true

I'm collecting in the sense to give, not a collection for myself. Lables are used, so I attached that label to identify myself as a single player collector for my second question of my original post.

I don't think I was being salty, I was simply discussing an attempt to get a card.

The second question was honestly just a question asked, because I'm not a card collector. I just thought it was a harmless question that must have struck a nerve of some folks.

I just wanted to understand the hobby more. Its actually amazing to me some of the stupid response I got. Like I don't understand it's not my card or that I can't make a person sell it or that my priority trumps someone else's.

The card holder shouldn't have just said, I don't want to break the set, sid not for sale. That would have been the end. I would have said, well if you ever want to sell let me know. I wasn't being a jerk many have painted me out to be.

If you want to label me a collector it's of anything relevant to Clemons. I'd label myself as a preservationist. The bullshit is on your end, and I'm sorry you can't grasp this.

This illusion of yours, and others thinking "my superiority of collecting " is pure idiocy. I take it your a set collector, and got all steamed, and couldn't see straight past that initial take. Again, it wasn't to point a finger at any type of collector. I simply stated what happened in a transaction, and then I thought to add the second question, and it had no relevance to my first question. Maybe I should have just made two separate posts.

People are acting like I'm trying to strong arm people to sell me something. Ask anyone I have delt with, and they can tell you I'm nothing like that.

I'm not getting cards, because they're very few to get. That's why I tried to ask a person if they would sell. I don't have many options. Its not a money thing like trying to buy a HOFer it's a population thing. I'm dealing in less the 10 known cards or less recognized. Most are under 5. The E120 has the most. I haven't checked between all the registries. I've been here for multiple years trying to find things. The reality is the items I'm searching for aren't a common want.

Actually, I made a thread you ignored the main ask. Just so you understand the set collector was just part of a discussion not to point blame. If that's the case I also blamed myself. The irony!