How to find the commons.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

Cash AND card is very different from Cash OR card. A few posts ago it was AND. Last post it was OR. Maybe you should examine your own abilities here. One post you are emphatically not a collector, the next you are back to bemoaning there are not many cards for you to collect. Cards have value to a lot of us for many reasons. You are not special, regardless of how much you think you are. Other people, especially those you don't know, don't put your 'special' interests over their own. The hobby and your personal interests are completely different things. If you don't like that fact, tough shit lol. You are only the main character of your narrative, just like the rest of us.

Again, it was sell and sweetened with card after he said he didn't want to break the set. It didn't go from cash to lower grade card. I've never claimed my interest or the so called being special (your summarization of me) trumps others that's your unicorn, nor do I try to play that with anyone. If they ask why my interest or want my back story then I'll include that. I already stated that as well. If you think my interest isn't more then yours for the three I listed I don't really care about you're opinion. I'm sure if you had players in your bloodline you may see my view differently.

Here's the truth. Most people don't care about the players they collect. They care about completing a set. It doesn't matter who's in it. I don't care about set's I care about 3 people that have meaning beyond a collection. It's not a collection to me. It's extremely challenging to find items this rare. Another poster summed it up very well. The HOFers are easy compared to finding the common players. Every auction has HOFer cards as long as you have the cash. When you're looking for obscure players with very low registry and pop numbers that's my world. I've exhausted about every known card that I can contact the owner. I've been trying to find items since I joined and I haven't gotten any cards from here yet, but I'll keep trying.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Again, it was sell and sweetened with card after he said he didn't want to break the set. It didn't go from cash to lower grade card. I've never claimed my interest or the so called being special (your summarization of me) trumps others that's your unicorn, nor do I try to play that with anyone. If they ask why my interest or want my back story then I'll include that. I already stated that as well. If you think my interest isn't more then yours for the three I listed I don't really care about you're opinion. I'm sure if you had players in your bloodline you may see my view differently.

Here's the truth. Most people don't care about the players they collect. They care about completing a set. It doesn't matter who's in it. I don't care about set's I care about 3 people that have meaning beyond a collection. It's not a collection to me. It's extremely challenging to find items this rare. Another poster summed it up very well. The HOFers are easy compared to finding the common players. Every auction has HOFer cards as long as you have the cash. When you're looking for obscure players with very low registry and pop numbers that's my world. I've exhausted about every known card that I can contact the owner. I've been trying to find items since I joined and I haven't gotten any cards from here yet, but I'll keep trying.

It's really difficult to figure out what's true and not because the story keeps changing. In your last version here, it was CASH, then it was CARD. Not both. Your original version only discussed card.

You are somehow not collecting or building a collection, but you are a collector looking to collect. You insist you aren't collecting, then you are. It's really hard to keep up with your bullshit because you keep contradicting yourself on even the most basic things.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It's not a collection.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

It's not collecting.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I'm a single player collector, and I just want to get the best I can since there's very few cards for me to collect.

You have, several times, insisted on the superiority of your collecting or whatever-you-want-call-it-this-post. Hell, we can just look at the top. You made a thread asking what the worst type of collectors are because a set collector didn't give you a card you feel entitled to and you want to whine about collectors, which you both are and are not yourself depending on which post it is. Your answer was collectors that don't sell (meaning, of course, this guy to you). Because somehow, your collecting is more important than the set collectors who is apparently not looking to downgrade.

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

What about ones that don't care, and won't sell? This kind of reminds me of another hobby I had. Vintage cars. People would let em rot in the ground, and wouldn't sell. I just don't get that line of thinking.

You made a whole thread because you are salty a collector didn't accept your offer, which may be cash, card, or both depending on which post is actually true, if any of them.

I can't imagine why you aren't getting cards from here, but good luck in your collecting or not-collecting or whatever. I'm sure making threads bitching people didn't swap a nicer card for a lesser one will help your quest.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

It's really difficult to figure out what's true and not because the story keeps changing. In your last version here, it was CASH, then it was CARD. Not both. Your original version only discussed card.

You are somehow not collecting or building a collection, but you are a collector looking to collect. You insist you aren't collecting, then you are. It's really hard to keep up with your bullshit because you keep contradicting yourself on even the most basic things.








You have, several times, insisted on the superiority of your collecting or whatever-you-want-call-it-this-post. Hell, we can just look at the top. You made a thread asking what the worst type of collectors are because a set collector didn't give you a card you feel entitled to and you want to whine about collectors, which you both are and are not yourself depending on which post it is. Your answer was collectors that don't sell (meaning, of course, this guy to you). Because somehow, your collecting is more important than the set collectors who is apparently not looking to downgrade.

You made a whole thread because you are salty a collector didn't accept your offer, which may be cash, card, or both depending on which post is actually true, if any of them.

I can't imagine why you aren't getting cards from here, but good luck in your collecting or not-collecting or whatever. I'm sure making threads bitching people didn't swap a nicer card for a lesser one will help your quest.

I was going to let this go, and let it die, but I need to help your difficulties of understanding something very simple. My stance has never changed which you keep claiming as fact.

Again I'll try to slow things down so you can comprehend.

The deal started as do you want to sell the card.

Definition of sell
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.

His response back was no thanks I don't want to break a set.

My 2nd and last response was I'll include a lower grade card so you will still have s full set in which he didn't respond, at which point I didn't bother him any further. Pretty damn simple. Your mountain, meet molehill.

It was a transaction attempt I'd imagine many people here have done. That was if you care to read my initial post. You just chose to read it incorrectly or couldn't grasp what was said. Since it's still ongoing I'd say both are true

I'm collecting in the sense to give, not a collection for myself. Lables are used, so I attached that label to identify myself as a single player collector for my second question of my original post.

I don't think I was being salty, I was simply discussing an attempt to get a card.

The second question was honestly just a question asked, because I'm not a card collector. I just thought it was a harmless question that must have struck a nerve of some folks.

I just wanted to understand the hobby more. Its actually amazing to me some of the stupid response I got. Like I don't understand it's not my card or that I can't make a person sell it or that my priority trumps someone else's.

The card holder shouldn't have just said, I don't want to break the set, sid not for sale. That would have been the end. I would have said, well if you ever want to sell let me know. I wasn't being a jerk many have painted me out to be.

If you want to label me a collector it's of anything relevant to Clemons. I'd label myself as a preservationist. The bullshit is on your end, and I'm sorry you can't grasp this.

This illusion of yours, and others thinking "my superiority of collecting " is pure idiocy. I take it your a set collector, and got all steamed, and couldn't see straight past that initial take. Again, it wasn't to point a finger at any type of collector. I simply stated what happened in a transaction, and then I thought to add the second question, and it had no relevance to my first question. Maybe I should have just made two separate posts.

People are acting like I'm trying to strong arm people to sell me something. Ask anyone I have delt with, and they can tell you I'm nothing like that.

I'm not getting cards, because they're very few to get. That's why I tried to ask a person if they would sell. I don't have many options. Its not a money thing like trying to buy a HOFer it's a population thing. I'm dealing in less the 10 known cards or less recognized. Most are under 5. The E120 has the most. I haven't checked between all the registries. I've been here for multiple years trying to find things. The reality is the items I'm searching for aren't a common want.

Actually, I made a thread you ignored the main ask. Just so you understand the set collector was just part of a discussion not to point blame. If that's the case I also blamed myself. The irony!

[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I was going to let this go, and let it die, but I need to help your difficulties of understanding something very simple. My stance has never changed which you keep claiming as fact.

Haha! Were you stewing about this all weekend and just couldn't let it go? Dude you are such a Karen.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by ronniehatesjazz

Haha! Were you stewing about this all weekend and just couldn't let it go? Dude you are such a Karen.

Nah, I had more important things going on. I know I'm a Karen and a snowflake and a great son who was taking care of his mother that fell and broke her jaw.

I actually shouldn't post a picture, but I guess maybe it will make you feel good about yourself? Hope you feel like an asshole, but I doubt you will. Have a great weekend!
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[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Nah, I had more important things going on. I know I'm a Karen and a snowflake and a great son who was taking care of his mother that fell and broke her jaw.

I actually shouldn't post a picture, but I guess maybe it will make you feel good about yourself? Hope you feel like an asshole, but I doubt you will. Have a great weekend!
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I'm glad your mother is okay and you're taking care of her, but what in the world does that have to do with baseball cards and your behavior towards the hobby lol? You're an oddball man.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by ronniehatesjazz

I'm glad your mother is okay and you're taking care of her, but what in the world does that have to do with baseball cards and your behavior towards the hobby lol? You're an oddball man.

It had to do with some asshat being an ass to another person for no reason, and having to explain himself with no out for the other person who is still trying to find a way out. What is my behavior towards the hobby? Good luck explaining it.

[Vintage Vern]

Since this is a sports card sight and I have respect for Leon, I will just post a few pictures of items I have hmmm "collected".

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[Vintage Vern]

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I was going to let this go, and let it die, but I need to help your difficulties of understanding something very simple. My stance has never changed which you keep claiming as fact.

Again I'll try to slow things down so you can comprehend.

The deal started as do you want to sell the card.

Definition of sell
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.

His response back was no thanks I don't want to break a set.

My 2nd and last response was I'll include a lower grade card so you will still have s full set in which he didn't respond, at which point I didn't bother him any further. Pretty damn simple. Your mountain, meet molehill.

It was a transaction attempt I'd imagine many people here have done. That was if you care to read my initial post. You just chose to read it incorrectly or couldn't grasp what was said. Since it's still ongoing I'd say both are true

I'm collecting in the sense to give, not a collection for myself. Lables are used, so I attached that label to identify myself as a single player collector for my second question of my original post.

I don't think I was being salty, I was simply discussing an attempt to get a card.

The second question was honestly just a question asked, because I'm not a card collector. I just thought it was a harmless question that must have struck a nerve of some folks.

I just wanted to understand the hobby more. Its actually amazing to me some of the stupid response I got. Like I don't understand it's not my card or that I can't make a person sell it or that my priority trumps someone else's.

The card holder shouldn't have just said, I don't want to break the set, sid not for sale. That would have been the end. I would have said, well if you ever want to sell let me know. I wasn't being a jerk many have painted me out to be.

If you want to label me a collector it's of anything relevant to Clemons. I'd label myself as a preservationist. The bullshit is on your end, and I'm sorry you can't grasp this.

This illusion of yours, and others thinking "my superiority of collecting " is pure idiocy. I take it your a set collector, and got all steamed, and couldn't see straight past that initial take. Again, it wasn't to point a finger at any type of collector. I simply stated what happened in a transaction, and then I thought to add the second question, and it had no relevance to my first question. Maybe I should have just made two separate posts.

People are acting like I'm trying to strong arm people to sell me something. Ask anyone I have delt with, and they can tell you I'm nothing like that.

I'm not getting cards, because they're very few to get. That's why I tried to ask a person if they would sell. I don't have many options. Its not a money thing like trying to buy a HOFer it's a population thing. I'm dealing in less the 10 known cards or less recognized. Most are under 5. The E120 has the most. I haven't checked between all the registries. I've been here for multiple years trying to find things. The reality is the items I'm searching for aren't a common want.

Actually, I made a thread you ignored the main ask. Just so you understand the set collector was just part of a discussion not to point blame. If that's the case I also blamed myself. The irony!

This is to prove you aren't salty and that I'm an idiot because you insist on not being a collector and also being a collector and that actually makes perfect sense. All your direct contradictions actually aren't. Mhm. Go touch grass.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

This is to prove you aren't salty and that I'm an idiot because you insist on not being a collector and also being a collector and that actually makes perfect sense. All your direct contradictions actually aren't. Mhm. Go touch grass.

Why do you use words that you don't have understanding of to label people?

preservationist vs a collector. Maybe if you understand the difference it will set you free, but I'm not counting on it. I'm not looking for monetary gain or something having intrinsic value. There's several of us trying to keep the historic value of our town alive. There's no financial aspect or gain for those doing so. Keep grasping for that last blade of grass!

[Vintage Vern]

Every thread needs a card!

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Why do you use words that you don't have understanding of to label people?

preservationist vs a collector. Maybe if you understand the difference it will set you free, but I'm not counting on it. I'm not looking for monetary gain or something having intrinsic value. There's several of us trying to keep the historic value of our town alive. There's no financial aspect or gain for those doing so. Keep grasping for that last blade of grass!

You used collecting/collection/collector to describe yourself and your activities, while also insisting it’s wrong. I didn’t label you, you did. Read the transcript, , I even quoted you doing it several times. Or better yet, go touch grass. This is the most bitching anyone has ever done over their shitty offer getting rejected. This is pathetic lol.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by G1911

You used collecting/collection/collector to describe yourself and your activities, while also insisting it’s wrong. I didn’t label you, you did. Read the transcript, , I even quoted you doing it several times. Or better yet, go touch grass. This is the most bitching anyone has ever done over their shitty offer getting rejected. This is pathetic lol.

And I already explained as much more than once. You have an issue with trying to paint your own picture instead of listening to what someone stated. How many posts have you made, and yet you still haven't even touched the question posed.

Nah its your bitching about something you misrepresented, and can't let go lof it.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

I was going to let this go, and let it die, but I need to help your difficulties of understanding something very simple. My stance has never changed which you keep claiming as fact.

Again I'll try to slow things down so you can comprehend.

The deal started as do you want to sell the card.

Definition of sell
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.

His response back was no thanks I don't want to break a set.

My 2nd and last response was I'll include a lower grade card so you will still have s full set in which he didn't respond, at which point I didn't bother him any further. Pretty damn simple. Your mountain, meet molehill.

It was a transaction attempt I'd imagine many people here have done. That was if you care to read my initial post. You just chose to read it incorrectly or couldn't grasp what was said. Since it's still ongoing I'd say both are true

I'm collecting in the sense to give, not a collection for myself. Lables are used, so I attached that label to identify myself as a single player collector for my second question of my original post.

I don't think I was being salty, I was simply discussing an attempt to get a card.

The second question was honestly just a question asked, because I'm not a card collector. I just thought it was a harmless question that must have struck a nerve of some folks.

I just wanted to understand the hobby more. Its actually amazing to me some of the stupid response I got. Like I don't understand it's not my card or that I can't make a person sell it or that my priority trumps someone else's.

The card holder shouldn't have just said, I don't want to break the set, sid not for sale. That would have been the end. I would have said, well if you ever want to sell let me know. I wasn't being a jerk many have painted me out to be.

If you want to label me a collector it's of anything relevant to Clemons. I'd label myself as a preservationist. The bullshit is on your end, and I'm sorry you can't grasp this.

This illusion of yours, and others thinking "my superiority of collecting " is pure idiocy. I take it your a set collector, and got all steamed, and couldn't see straight past that initial take. Again, it wasn't to point a finger at any type of collector. I simply stated what happened in a transaction, and then I thought to add the second question, and it had no relevance to my first question. Maybe I should have just made two separate posts.

People are acting like I'm trying to strong arm people to sell me something. Ask anyone I have delt with, and they can tell you I'm nothing like that.

I'm not getting cards, because they're very few to get. That's why I tried to ask a person if they would sell. I don't have many options. Its not a money thing like trying to buy a HOFer it's a population thing. I'm dealing in less the 10 known cards or less recognized. Most are under 5. The E120 has the most. I haven't checked between all the registries. I've been here for multiple years trying to find things. The reality is the items I'm searching for aren't a common want.

Actually, I made a thread you ignored the main ask. Just so you understand the set collector was just part of a discussion not to point blame. If that's the case I also blamed myself. The irony!

You clearly need to reread what you've posted in this thread. And don't stop at the first post. You have absolutely acted like your right to a card is better than someone else's.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You clearly need to reread what you've posted in this thread. And don't stop at the first post. You have absolutely acted like your right to a card is better than someone else's.

That's your interpretation. Don't even try to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. You haven't a clue, and it’s on full display!

What I said was a person that is just collecting to get a set doesn't care what or who is in that set, just to get it completed. That’s just a fact.

You would still collect a set if Verne wasn't part of it, correct? The only reason you'd even care to have his card was if he were in the set. Don't lie to me or yourself. That's the only reason for most set collectors. That's not a bad thing, just reality

The other type collector would be a team collector. Some may have more interest in common players most are probably like set collectors, and just want them for that reason.

The only reason I want them is because it has personal value outside of collecting for baseball. 1st he has family DNA and also where I live his family started the town of Clemons Grove. His grandfather William Clemons was the founder. That's my want for them.

So yes if you want to know if I feel I have more interest in them then many I'd say yes, absolutely. That's where it would end. I don't think I'm entitled to anything nor have I applied that. That's you not me that thinks that.

This is what you're interpretation is if you want me to spitball for your thoughts. You've put words in my mouth so I'll do so for you.

You feel I think I'm more entitled to it because hear me out. I tried to offer him money then offer a card on top of that, because he implied he didn't want to break up a set. My sole intention was to keep him having a full set, and me getting a card I wanted. That’s it! Period. Anything else was idiocy thrown my way. I tried to make a deal that would work for both parties. This entire thing blew up because of some thin skinned set collectors that ignored the true question asked of how to find the Verne Clemons of the world. You like many others blew right past the main question and got butt hurt.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

That's your interpretation. Don't even try to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. You haven't a clue, and it’s on full display!

What I said was a person that is just collecting to get a set doesn't care what or who is in that set, just to get it completed. That’s just a fact.

You would still collect a set if Verne wasn't part of it, correct? The only reason you'd even care to have his card was if he were in the set. Don't lie to me or yourself. That's the only reason for most set collectors. That's not a bad thing, just reality

The other type collector would be a team collector. Some may have more interest in common players most are probably like set collectors, and just want them for that reason.

The only reason I want them is because it has personal value outside of collecting for baseball. 1st he has family DNA and also where I live his family started the town of Clemons Grove. His grandfather William Clemons was the founder. That's my want for them.

So yes if you want to know if I feel I have more interest in them then many I'd say yes, absolutely. That's where it would end. I don't think I'm entitled to anything nor have I applied that. That's you not me that thinks that.

This is what you're interpretation is if you want me to spitball for your thoughts. You've put words in my mouth so I'll do so for you.

You feel I think I'm more entitled to it because hear me out. I tried to offer him money then offer a card on top of that, because he implied he didn't want to break up a set. My sole intention was to keep him having a full set, and me getting a card I wanted. That’s it! Period. Anything else was idiocy thrown my way. I tried to make a deal that would work for both parties. This entire thing blew up because of some thin skinned set collectors that ignored the true question asked of how to find the Verne Clemons of the world. You like many others blew right past the main question and got butt hurt.

So you aren't going to reread what you wrote, I see. Just continue to spout off walls of text that do nothing but show you are only capable of posting on emotion. Ironically, you call us thin skinned and butthurt. LOL

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

That's your interpretation. Don't even try to tell me what I am or what I'm not doing. You haven't a clue, and it’s on full display!

What I said was a person that is just collecting to get a set doesn't care what or who is in that set, just to get it completed. That’s just a fact.

You would still collect a set if Verne wasn't part of it, correct? The only reason you'd even care to have his card was if he were in the set. Don't lie to me or yourself. That's the only reason for most set collectors. That's not a bad thing, just reality

The other type collector would be a team collector. Some may have more interest in common players most are probably like set collectors, and just want them for that reason.

The only reason I want them is because it has personal value outside of collecting for baseball. 1st he has family DNA and also where I live his family started the town of Clemons Grove. His grandfather William Clemons was the founder. That's my want for them.

So yes if you want to know if I feel I have more interest in them then many I'd say yes, absolutely. That's where it would end. I don't think I'm entitled to anything nor have I applied that. That's you not me that thinks that.

This is what you're interpretation is if you want me to spitball for your thoughts. You've put words in my mouth so I'll do so for you.

You feel I think I'm more entitled to it because hear me out. I tried to offer him money then offer a card on top of that, because he implied he didn't want to break up a set. My sole intention was to keep him having a full set, and me getting a card I wanted. That’s it! Period. Anything else was idiocy thrown my way. I tried to make a deal that would work for both parties. This entire thing blew up because of some thin skinned set collectors that ignored the true question asked of how to find the Verne Clemons of the world. You like many others blew right past the main question and got butt hurt.

As a long time set collector, I agree that it's true that the reason I want a card is to complete my set regardless of who the player is. However, that doesn't mean I'll buy any card just to fill the spot in the set. Maybe some people will, but I usually have a set of criteria for the cards I want in a set I'm working on. Regardless of the fact that you said his set was a range from A to 7, maybe there was something about the card that you offered him (apparently with cash) that didn't meet his criteria for his set so he turned you down.

As for how to find the commons like Verne Clemons, it takes time and effort looking through a lot of online auctions and listings and a lot of boxes and books of cards at shows sometimes to find some cards. For a lot of people, that's what they like about the hobby - the hunt for that elusive card they've been trying to find for years.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

As a long time set collector, I agree that it's true that the reason I want a card is to complete my set regardless of who the player is. However, that doesn't mean I'll buy any card just to fill the spot in the set. Maybe some people will, but I usually have a set of criteria for the cards I want in a set I'm working on. Regardless of the fact that you said his set was a range from A to 7, maybe there was something about the card that you offered him (apparently with cash) that didn't meet his criteria for his set so he turned you down.

As for how to find the commons like Verne Clemons, it takes time and effort looking through a lot of online auctions and listings and a lot of boxes and books of cards at shows sometimes to find some cards. For a lot of people, that's what they like about the hobby - the hunt for that elusive card they've been trying to find for years.

Thanks for this post. It never got to that point, and I just left it at that. I didn't try to push passed that point. I didn't get a response back so nothing was offered in detail.

The only reason I even gave a second response was because he didn't shut the door, just said that he wanted a complete set and not to break it. No issue on my end at all. I just noticed he had many cards from 1 to 4 so thought I would offer a lower grade card and cash. No response back so I left it there.

When I first started looking I had probably 3 or 4 cards on ebay and they just sat there with no buyers. This was before I truly committed to dive in head first. I thought no big deal they pop up all the time. Boy was I was wrong, they all sold and here I am today. I can remeber at least 2 E120s 5 being the highest and 4 the lowest. I also remebr a type 1 and 2 V61 can't remebr the grade and 1 was raw actually a few raw, but some had major issues. Well not getting too deep I know of some cards, but the seller knows what I want and jacked up his prices. His cards his business. I just can't buy them at 2 times the going rate at best.

Most of those cards I mentioned are in set collectors hands at least it appears so from registry look ups. At that time, in early days of looking I didn't know how to follow the cards cert numbers. I'm just guessing some are in collections not for sale and maybe a few mid grades hidden away. Raw I wouldn't be real good at grading, but just haven't seen many offered either.