Every slabbed card has a story, don't it?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So the better someone is at doctoring, that makes it OK. Man has the world changed from the hobby I grew up in.

Hasn't always been that way though? I would argue the only thing that has changed is social media now puts it in front of everyone's faces. But fixing card flaws is as old as cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Hasn't always been that way though? I would argue the only thing that has changed is social media now puts it in front of everyone's faces. But fixing card flaws is as old as cards.

There is, IMO, much more acceptance of it now, especially if it isn't glaringly obvious. People who are at the top of the hobby now used to be widely regarded as scum, for example.

[Leon]

+1
Hopefully, one just got out of the business and stays out.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is, IMO, much more acceptance of it now, especially if it isn't glaringly obvious. People who are at the top of the hobby now used to be widely regarded as scum, for example.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is, IMO, much more acceptance of it now, especially if it isn't glaringly obvious. People who are at the top of the hobby now used to be widely regarded as scum, for example.

https://youtu.be/4xdnrPas48M?si=_aYa9qQ-cR64f_yy


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[raulus]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

https://youtu.be/4xdnrPas48M?si=_aYa9qQ-cR64f_yy


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Interesting interview.

Obviously Kurt seems pretty focused on not stigmatizing collectors who choose to clean up their cards. Of course, his premise is that the primary motivation for cleaning cards is for a collector to enjoy their stuff.

If I’m interpreting most of the concerns around here correctly, it’s that the primary motivation of cleaning up cards is to make a bunch of money, and be deceptive about it in the process, because no one would buy them if they knew they were cleaned. Or they wouldn’t pay nearly as much for them.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by raulus

Interesting interview.

Obviously Kurt seems pretty focused on not stigmatizing collectors who choose to clean up their cards. Of course, his premise is that the primary motivation for cleaning cards is for a collector to enjoy their stuff.

If I’m interpreting most of the concerns around here correctly, it’s that the primary motivation of cleaning up cards is to make a bunch of money, and be deceptive about it in the process, because no one would buy them if they knew they were cleaned. Or they wouldn’t pay nearly as much for them.

Cleaning, removing dents, removing creases, and fixing corners are all apparently now considered a legitimate way to get one over on the graders and spin straw into gold.


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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Cleaning, removing dents, removing creases, and fixing corners are all apparently now considered a legitimate way to get one over on the graders and spin straw into gold.


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Yup. Of course one could ask, if it's so legit, why doesn't anyone disclose it when they submit or when they sell.

How long until we hear recoloring is OK because it's just restoring the original color?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yup. Of course one could ask, if it's so legit, why doesn't anyone disclose it when they submit or when they sell.

Absolutely. Put it on the PSGCA submission form. Include it in the auction description.


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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yup. Of course one could ask, if it's so legit, why doesn't anyone disclose it when they submit or when they sell.

How long until we hear recoloring is OK because it's just restoring the original color?

Not everyone who cleans cards is doing it to make money though. I know a lot of people who regularly clean commons that are worth nothing. The only reason they don't go around announcing it to the world is because we now live in the age of social media and there's no shortage of unemployed hobby clowns with a platform whose sole goal in life is to run around trolling anyone and everyone they disagree with and attempting to get them "canceled", regardless of whether their opinions on the topic matter one bit.

The fact of the matter is that people have been doing this stuff to improve the condition of their cards since the very first cards were ever printed. And when the grading companies arrived at the scene, they all continued to allow it. It's the way it's always been and it's how it will always continue to be. Don't be afraid of the boogeyman. Nothing bad is going to happen to your cards. Half of your collections are made up of cards that someone improved in some way at some point. The idea that this stuff must be stopped or policed somehow is absurd. All these guys like Sports Card Radio, DanTheCardMan, AIH, etc., are the hobby equivalent of the guy with a megaphone and a hand painted sign, standing on a milk crate, preaching at pedestrians in downtown San Francisco. The truth is, nobody else cares. They're just baseball cards.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is, IMO, much more acceptance of it now, especially if it isn't glaringly obvious. People who are at the top of the hobby now used to be widely regarded as scum, for example.

Depends on who you are referring to and who you ask. Lots of "us" feel that lots of "them" are still scum.