Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ronniehatesjazz

I know these are crazy times but isn't there a rule about no politics in this forum?

I not taking any side

but i would think if someone were to criticize Trump, they also are saying that Hillary and/or Biden would be great. If they are not saying that, then its pretty empty to just say how things are bad.

If all of them are bad, really no reason to bad mouth any of them. Whats the point of criticizing with no solution.

[gawaintheknight]

This won't be a popular attitude here, but Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better. She has experience with healthcare policy, she has experience in the Senate, she has experience as Secretary of State, she has experience seeing how a non-dysfunctional White House works. All of that would be helpful, and Trump has none of it. She would not have cut funding for epidemic preparedness or eliminated government agencies that it now turns out are crucial for fighting the epidemic. She would have used the contingency plans the Obama administration created for dealing with epidemics rather than ignoring them and pretending everything was fine for months while the time to act decisively went by. She would have hired competent people and let them do their jobs. She would be actually trying to address the crisis instead of trying to threaten governors she didn't like and tweeting about how high her TV ratings were and trying to bully reporters who asked questions she didn't like. I could go on, but just on those points alone, there's a huge difference.

So, absolutely she would have been a lot better. She was one of the most qualified candidates in the history of the presidency, and she lost to one of the least qualified candidates, and, as they say, elections have consequences.

I'm sure there's a bunch of people here who are now never going to do business with me again, but that's fine.

Ted

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I not taking any side

but i would think if someone were to criticize Trump, they also are saying that Hillary and/or Biden would be great. If they are not saying that, then its pretty empty to just say how things are bad.

If all of them are bad, really no reason to bad mouth any of them. Whats the point of criticizing with no solution.

[gawaintheknight]

Instead we get this idiocy:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/mypil...232505593.html

Ted

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

This won't be a popular attitude here, but Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better. She has experience with healthcare policy, she has experience in the Senate, she has experience as Secretary of State, she has experience seeing how a non-dysfunctional White House works. All of that would be helpful, and Trump has none of it. She would not have cut funding for epidemic preparedness or eliminated government agencies that it now turns out are crucial for fighting the epidemic. She would have used the contingency plans the Obama administration created for dealing with epidemics rather than ignoring them and pretending everything was fine for months while the time to act decisively went by. She would have hired competent people and let them do their jobs. She would be actually trying to address the crisis instead of trying to threaten governors she didn't like and tweeting about how high her TV ratings were and trying to bully reporters who asked questions she didn't like. I could go on, but just on those points alone, there's a huge difference.

So, absolutely she would have been a lot better. She was one of the most qualified candidates in the history of the presidency, and she lost to one of the least qualified candidates, and, as they say, elections have consequences.

I'm sure there's a bunch of people here who are now never going to do business with me again, but that's fine.

Ted

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better. She has experience with healthcare policy, she has experience in the Senate, she has experience as Secretary of State, she has experience seeing how a non-dysfunctional White House works. All of that would be helpful, and Trump has none of it. She would not have cut funding for epidemic preparedness or eliminated government agencies that it now turns out are crucial for fighting the epidemic. She would have used the contingency plans the Obama administration created for dealing with epidemics rather than ignoring them and pretending everything was fine for months while the time to act decisively went by. She would have hired competent people and let them do their jobs. She would be actually trying to address the crisis instead of trying to threaten governors she didn't like and tweeting about how high her TV ratings were and trying to bully reporters who asked questions she didn't like. I could go on, but just on those points alone, there's a huge difference.

So, absolutely she would have been a lot better. She was one of the most qualified candidates in the history of the presidency, and she lost to one of the least qualified candidates, and, as they say, elections have consequences.



Ted

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

No opinions her, just numbers for people to consider when gauging our federal response.

January 20-
- US reports first cases
- S Korea reports first cases

March 12
- US has tested 10,058
- S Korea has tested 234,998

March 17
- US has tested 72 per million residents and new infection curve is rapidly trending upward (now agreed by all, including current administration)
- S Korea has tested 5400 per million residents and new infection curve is declining

[Shoeless Moe]

President Trump donated his salary toward the Virus......meanwhile the Democratic Party just spent $6 Million dollars on Ads against Trump.

Had they spent that $6 million to aid in the Virus fight, using that toward masks or supplies for hospitals, they get mine and a lot more people's respect, and votes.

Blowing that much on Ads in a time of crisis, just mind-blowing.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

President Trump donated his salary toward the Virus......meanwhile the Democratic Party just spent $6 Million dollars on Ads against Trump.

Had they spent that $6 million to aid in the Virus fight, using that toward masks or supplies for hospitals, they get mine and a lot more people's respect, and votes.

Blowing that much on Ads in a time of crisis, just mind-blowing.

This is why politics is dumb...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1174041

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

This is why politics is dumb...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1174041

Then both sides are a bunch idiots. Amazing.


And I don't want to hear they can't use that money for anything else. That's BS.


You use that money toward the crisis and someone is gonna complain?

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

President Trump donated his salary toward the Virus......meanwhile the Democratic Party just spent $6 Million dollars on Ads against Trump.

Had they spent that $6 million to aid in the Virus fight, using that toward masks or supplies for hospitals, they get mine and a lot more people's respect, and votes.

Blowing that much on Ads in a time of crisis, just mind-blowing.

They can't. That is donated money and specifically earmaked toward the democratic campaign. Big trouble if they use it for anything else.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Paul S

They can't. That is donated money and specifically earmaked toward the democratic campaign. Big trouble if they use it for anything else.

Though at least prominant one man has been known to use charitable donations to their own foundation to cover personal obligations, legal debt, etc, and not get into too much trouble.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Paul S

They can't. That is donated money and specifically earmaked toward the democratic campaign. Big trouble if they use it for anything else.

Just stamp every mask with "vote democrat" And there you go, a useful campaign promotional item.

[gawaintheknight]

Yeah, about that salary donation thing....

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/2116447...hs-coronavirus

Ted

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

President Trump donated his salary toward the Virus......meanwhile the Democratic Party just spent $6 Million dollars on Ads against Trump.

Had they spent that $6 million to aid in the Virus fight, using that toward masks or supplies for hospitals, they get mine and a lot more people's respect, and votes.

Blowing that much on Ads in a time of crisis, just mind-blowing.

[packs]

delete

[irv]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Yeah, about that salary donation thing....

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/2116447...hs-coronavirus

Ted

It blows me away what people will believe anymore. So many fake news outlets out there nowadays, one can only view them as Info-tainment and nothing more.

Main stream media (MSM) is the same way, all out to influence and brainwash your mind.

CNN, MSNB, NY Times, the list goes on and on. All out to get Trump like a bunch of petulant children who are still struggling with the fact the Dems lost the last election.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

No opinions her, just numbers for people to consider when gauging our federal response.

January 20-
- US reports first cases
- S Korea reports first cases

March 12
- US has tested 10,058
- S Korea has tested 234,998

March 17
- US has tested 72 per million residents and new infection curve is rapidly trending upward (now agreed by all, including current administration)
- S Korea has tested 5400 per million residents and new infection curve is declining

lets see if we can trade a first round pick to south korea for their leader.....maybe they will throw in a 5th rounder...

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

lets see if we can trade a first round pick to south korea for their leader.....maybe they will throw in a 5th rounder...

Or we can just try and learn lessons from them. However this requires humility, a full acceptance others may know better or be smarter, and there are some who do not seem willing to do this.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

And my father added

"And most of them stink"

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

And my father added

"And most of them stink"

Haha, and so did my dad, and Sgt O’Neill from Platoon, and every football coach I (or probably everyone else) ever had.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

And my father added

"And most of them stink"

I have always heard "and they all smell different".

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Best advice my stepfather ever gave me, ‘Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.’

Originally Posted by bnorth

I have always heard "and they all smell different".

So you've heard, but experience dictates otherwise?

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

So you've heard, but experience dictates otherwise?

I always heard,"Tell that a$$hole to shut up!"

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

This won't be a popular attitude here, but Hillary would absolutely have been, if not great (I don't know what that would mean in this context), a lot better.

You are 100% correct. Hillary would have handled this pandemic a lot better than Trump has because Republicans would have supported her as President, whereas democrats will not support Trump.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

You are 100% correct. Hillary would have handled this pandemic a lot better than Trump has because Republicans would have supported her as President, whereas democrats will not support Trump.

That assertion is, to put it as diplomatically as I can, ahistorical. Compare and contrast the voting history on the 2009 Great Recession stimulus with that of the contemporary COVID-19 stimulus.

Someone already did.

[gawaintheknight]

Nice try, but I'm old enough to remember the Obama administration and that's not how it went at all. I'm also old enough to remember the 2016 election when Republicans were talking about impeaching her the day after she was sworn in.

Ted

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

You are 100% correct. Hillary would have handled this pandemic a lot better than Trump has because Republicans would have supported her as President, whereas democrats will not support Trump.

[nolemmings]

"This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic," Trump said at a press conference with his coronavirus task force. "All you had to do was look at other countries."

OK, then why did you hold rallies on January 9, 14, 28 and 30; February 10, 19, 20, 21 and 28? Nine rallies in 50 days, for a "candidate" who is unopposed. Nine separate dates and places you gathered 10,000 or whatever people standing shoulder to shoulder at a time when you now admit a highly contagious disease was on its way, and as of January 20, was confirmed to be here. Spouting how the democrats and media were blowing it out of proportion to make you look bad--and now you tell us 200,000 could very well die, maybe more. Telling governors that you're not a shipping clerk,and letting them bid against each other, other countries and even FEMA for supplies--that great old free market system on display.

The Divided States of America--led by the greatest patriot to ever take a breath, and who surely can do no wrong--just ask him.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Nice try, but I'm old enough to remember the Obama administration and that's not how it went at all. I'm also old enough to remember the 2016 election when Republicans were talking about impeaching her the day after she was sworn in.

Ted

I hope you are old enough to remember eleven years ago.

[gawaintheknight]

Well, I can remember ten years ago:

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, quoted in National Journal, November 4, 2010

Ted

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I hope you are old enough to remember eleven years ago.

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Well, I can remember ten years ago:

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

-Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, quoted in National Journal, November 4, 2010

Ted

Is your name really Ted Knight? That's cool, I loved you in Caddyshack, but what's the point of these political posts? You, like others, seem very passionate, but you don't actually think you're going to change anyone's mind about anything political do you? Those days are long gone.

There sure is a lot of spittin' in the wind going on here.

To the original topic at hand - I would be curious how a guy like Greg Morris is doing on ebay. He seems really honest and he sells lots of "regular" cards. I would think his sales would be a good barometer of how things are going today and in the future.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I hope you are old enough to remember eleven years ago.

I do.

McConnell “wanted everyone to hold the fort,” one Republican senator, George Voinovich of Ohio, later told the journalist Michael Grunwald in his book The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era. “All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

In the House, where the stimulus bill would ultimately pass without a single Republican vote, Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, then chair of the GOP conference, claimed that "the Democrat bill won't stimulate anything but more government and more debt.” The stimulus bill would ultimately pass the Senate with three Republican votes. “Yesterday the Senate cast one of the most expensive votes in history,” McConnell said. “Americans are wondering how we’re going to pay for all this.”

From here.

[drcy]

Putting aside moral debate, for the economy's sake itself you have to fix the coronas problem before the economy will rebound. If people are dying and scared to go to work and go the store, co-workers are getting the disease, the medical system is overloaded with patients, the economy will be damaged and sick even if everyone is allowed to go to work and mingle in society.

Thus, I think the "Let everyone go back to work and social life to save the economy" is an incorrect economic argument anyway.