Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

But, I feel compelled to note that perhaps you should have read his post completely because he did offer a solution. He said "The solution is to follow the advice of the experts and keep things shut down as long as necessary." Maybe you are content to take advice from some rando on a discussion board, but, for myself, I tend to listen to what the virologists and other public health experts say. And I work in oil and gas, which is getting decimated right now and will see an increasing number of companies going bankrupt the longer this goes on.

On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.”


Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.”


Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

I agree with Paul.

[gawaintheknight]

Yes, there's no way this could have been anticipated, or a plan could have been available for Trump to use.

Oh wait: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...shelf-n1170276

Ted

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.”


Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

Yes, there's no way this could have been anticipated, or a plan could have been available for Trump to use.

Oh wait: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...shelf-n1170276

Ted

from MSNBC enough said.


.....and I didn't see Congress (like they did for a bunch of pointless waste of time issues) go full steam for this either so blame both sides not 1, or 1 person.

Best you can say here is Obama, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, Activists, you, me, ALL to blame.

And at this point it's time to get past who is to blame. Pointless at this point. All attention and media coverage should be on fixing it and go forward plans.

[gawaintheknight]

Uh, the fact that you don't like MSNBC doesn't mean they're wrong. You can blame whoever you want, I'm going to blame the guy that is supposed to be in charge but explicitly refused to take responsibility.

Ted

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

from MSNBC enough said.


.....and I didn't see Congress (like they did for a bunch of pointless waste of time issues) go full steam for this either so blame both sides not 1, or 1 person.

Best you can say here is Obama, Trump, Democrats, Republicans, Activists, you, me, ALL to blame.

And at this point it's time to get past who is to blame. Pointless at this point. All attention and media coverage should be on fixing it and go forward plans.

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

On January 26, New York City’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, warned, “It’s inevitable that we will have someone who is positive with coronavirus.” She also said, “We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season.” She added that those “who had recently traveled from Wuhan were not being urged to self-quarantine or avoid large public gatherings.”


Thank goodness NY listened to this expert, right?.......and the Mayor too (yet it's Trumps fault right?):

Yes, the pediatrician and the politician were wrong. We can see the result with nearly 50,000 cases and over 650 deaths in the greater NYC area and the apex of the outbreak still a couple weeks ahead. That would seem to lend support to the advice of actual infectious disease experts to take drastic actions to halt the spread of the virus.

So, I guess I am not sure what your point is here other than since someone who should have known better was wrong once, we can now just ignore people with relevant expertise. Seems like a nice little piece of motivated reasoning.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Yes, the pediatrician and the politician were wrong. We can see the result with nearly 50,000 cases and over 650 deaths in the greater NYC area and the apex of the outbreak still a couple weeks ahead. That would seem to lend support to the advice of actual infectious disease experts to take drastic actions to halt the spread of the virus.

So, I guess I am not sure what your point is here other than since someone who should have known better was wrong once, we can now just ignore people with relevant expertise. Seems like a nice little piece of motivated reasoning.

My point here was the media and others have non-stop pounded Trump on this, when Health Officials and Politicians on both side are equal to blame.

You've got both sides throwing stones when everyone is to blame. Who cares? Fix it. Fix the economy. Now is a time all should be working together, put the stupid politics aside. And I'm not a nurse or a doctor so I can't help on that side, but I am healthy (so I can and I am working) and I can spend money, and believe me I don't have much, but I'll spend what I have on local businesses to help keep them afloat. I'm not gonna hide in my house for 6 months and just hope it all blows over.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

My point here was the media and others have non-stop pounded Trump on this, when Health Officials and Politicians on both side are equal to blame.

The guy at the top takes responsibility. The buck stops here.

[Jdoggs]

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

Jason, is that just like the Astros? What happened to the owner?

From what I recall the Manager & GM are the 2 who took the blame and got the axe, not the guy at the top.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

So Jason say you are at work and you mess up doing your job. So your Boss is only responsible for your mistake as he or she is the leader and not you?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

How do you blame Don Trump for a wordwide pandemic that originated in China?

Would you blame him for an earthquake in California, or a tornado in Nebraska?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sure, there may be some people who share portions of the blame, but a leader is held accountable for the people he leads. I know it’s popular to pass blame in today’s culture, but the man at the top always takes responsibility for the mess. That’s what comes with being a leader.

Since the center of the problem (ground zero in the US) is New York, how much of the responsibility lies with the mayor of that city, and the governor of that state? How prepared were they? What contingencies, and backup plans, did they have in place? Certainly New York is a wealthy state, and with high tax rates too. One would think they would have been well stocked with supplies and equipment, and with supply chains established in case of emergency.

New York, since September 2001, has known it was the prime target of terrorists. So they had the money, and the reason to expect the unexpected on a potentially massive scale. Bio-terrorism was always a possibility. How much responsibility lies with governor Cuomo?

And now that he has opposed quarantining his state, how much responsibility does he own, when frightened New Yorkers flee to other states, spreading this virus, and death, across the entire country?

Just curious as to your thoughts.

[Baseball Fan]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

Has the guy at the top taken any responsibility yet? Is that even in his playbook?

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The guy at the top takes some of the responsibility and should not take all of the blame. There are many other people to blame and those other people should be held responsible.
Jason

"The President--whoever he is--has to decide. He can't pass the buck to anybody. No one else can do the deciding for him. That's his job." From President Truman's farewell address discussing the concept of "the buck stops here."

“I don’t take responsibility at all,” President Trump when if he took responsibility for the testing lag.

I guess some presidents are more presidential than others.