Proof that the market value for PSA and 'conserved' cards have dropped

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by steve B

Why would they change? They've already dodged all responsibility and deflected it all as just a bunch of whiners on the internet.

Which should lead any rational person with the conclusion that they don't want to change or acknowledge what they are doing.

That is the #1 thing that let's me know that they are privy to the scam and probably in on it themselves. Trying to sweep it under the rug is not a good look, IMHO but people continue to eat them up in a love fest. Are people really that dopey? I personally have never seen anything like it in my lifetime yet others could care less. THAT's what I find fascinating.

Maybe, just maybe time will tell?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Going to say "Show me the carDfax'

Any accidents? I mean trimming. When did this card/car change hands. What auctions were they sold at

Ok guys what would the CardFox look like? Maybe wearing a cardigan sweater and smoking pipe?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Going to say "Show me the carDfax'

Any accidents? I mean trimming. When did this card/car change hands. What auctions were they sold at

Ok guys what would the CardFox look like? Maybe wearing a cardigan sweater and smoking pipe?

shockingly...cardfax type service is actually a good idea.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

shockingly...cardfax type service is actually a good idea.

one of many , its a long list

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

one of many , its a long list

r they all "lifted" from other people?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

r they all "lifted" from other people?

nah thats deceptive .i dont say other ideas are my own or make a listing on ebay that desceptive..


'Show me the carDfax'

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

nah thats deceptive .i dont say other ideas are my own or make a listing on ebay that desceptive..


'Show me the carDfax'

Jake,

In January 2018 Spaeth started a thread “Card doctoring ....”

You might want to check out post #75,

Then stop patting yourself on the back,

And then apologize.

To avoid any suggestion of deception, the aforementioned post #75 is added below


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I find this thread troubling on a personal level, for some of you might consider me both a “card” and a “doctor”. It is amusing though to expand the concepts related to the hobby into other fields. The proposal of listing flaws on the flips instead of a numerical grade, I find interesting for two reasons.

First consider if you will old people instead of old cards. As a group we would be spared the humiliation of being graded 1, 2 or 3 with nary a 10 in sight in our retirement enclaves. Our flips would be too large to lug around though and too long to read for practical social events. I suppose we could carry credit cards with embedded chips and have access to ubiquitous chip readers though.

Second consider the field of Plastic Surgery, the true “villains” of medicine. Restoration, augmentation and flaw ablation is their bailiwick. In the world of “people flips”, their work is judged by third party graders, spouses and mirrors.
If your wife was a 4 pre-operatively before the face lift or boob job, and considers herself a 6 after the procedure, the plastic surgeon is successful and rewarded. Maybe it should just be called “Grade Bump Surgery”.

The same type of analogy could be applied to your automobile susceptible to both fender benders or a total loss as the result of an accident. The total loss or “beater” ends up in the collection at a junk yard. The fender bender though is rewarded with a trip to the Body Shop, where the goal is the ultimate grade bump to 10. Corners are restored, centering or at least symmetry is achieved and inevitably a little color is added, before delivery.

So, whether graded or not, fear not for your cardboard collection. Just remember that when purchasing cards, always remember to utter the following.


SHOW ME THE CARDFAX


But don’t ask the ladies about their plastic surgery or look for their scars, just compliment them on their beauty.

Edited to add: drcy is great
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[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Which should lead any rational person with the conclusion that they don't want to change or aknowlede what they are doing.

That is the #1 thing that let's me know that they are privy to the scam and probably in on it themselves. Trying to sweep it under the rug is not a good look, IMHO but people continue to eat them up in a love fest. Are people really that dopey? I personally have never seen anything like it in my lifetime yet other could care less. THAT's what I find fascinating.

Maybe, just maybe time will tell?

Chuck the only cards I would consider buying is one from raw virgin collections. Never graded with no vcp history.

Ahh the days are long over right sir !

Was a lot of fun

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Which should lead any rational person with the conclusion that they don't want to change or acknowledge what they are doing.

That is the #1 thing that let's me know that they are privy to the scam and probably in on it themselves. Trying to sweep it under the rug is not a good look, IMHO but people continue to eat them up in a love fest. Are people really that dopey? I personally have never seen anything like it in my lifetime yet others could care less. THAT's what I find fascinating.

Maybe, just maybe time will tell?

I've seen worse. Not as widespread, but worse.
The ritual satanic abuse panics of the late 80's- early 90's, where people were convicted on testimony that was often wildly absurd.
And which probably ended up making some real but less wildly insane acts go unpunished.