Proof that the market value for PSA and 'conserved' cards have dropped

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Jake,

In January 2018 Spaeth started a thread “Card doctoring ....”

You might want to check out post #75,

Then stop patting yourself on the back,

And then apologize.

Hmmm...thats deceptive!

[frankbmd]

Post #67 amended. Awaiting apologies from anyone, but not holding my breath.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Post #67 amended. Awaiting apologies from anyone, but not holding my breath.

Hey Frank. I just want to apologize on behalf of anyone and everyone.
It seems like the Canadian thing to do.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Post #67 amended. Awaiting apologies from anyone, but not holding my breath.

Frank...I hope you have the patience of a cubs fan...and the breath holding capacity of a free diver!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Frank...I hope you have the patience of a cubs fan...and the breath holding capacity of a free diver!

Neither, but I do get a Rebel Yell itch watching the Brewers in September. Cheers!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Neither, but I do get a Rebel Yell itch watching the Brewers in September. Cheers!

I have emails from earlier and i said its a long list....i used carfax analogies in all sorts of things as well as 'card on steroids' or whatever on steroids , and show me the housefax etc.......good minds think alike.. I havent seen anyone use it as tagline either..

Anyone have the idea about putting a hole punch in the trimmed cards that were turned in ......

[drcy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I have emails from earlier and i said its a long list....i used carfax analogies in all sorts of things as well as 'card on steroids' or whatever on steroids , and show me the housefax etc.......good minds think alike.. I havent seen anyone use it as tagline either..

Anyone have the idea about putting a hole punch in the trimmed cards that were turned in ......

Personally-- as in my opinion, feel free disagree if you wish-- is that the PWCC et al cards be permanently defaced but still collectible. A punch hole would work fine with me.

For cards owned by the FBI, this is something they might do. Though people's fears may be that they may destroy them.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by drcy

Personally-- as in my opinion, feel free disagree if you wish-- is that the PWCC et al cards be permanently defaced but still collectible. A punch hole would work fine with me.

For cards owned by the FBI, this is something they might do. Though people's fears may be that they may destroy them.

Stamp them Altered on the back just like they stamped counterfeit on the back of the fake Rose Rookies in the 80s.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by drcy

For cards owned by the FBI, this is something they might do. Though people's fears may be that they may destroy.

I would definitely buy PSA-slabbed hole-punched T206's with labels 'from the FBI collection'.

(Great thread David)

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Hmmm...thats deceptive!

Deceptive in milking someone out of money versus who said what first on the internet is a different animal...

especially when its a friend thats taking the information and then being deceptive in selling a card on ebay....

its deceptive to compare the two....

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Deceptive in milking someone out of money versus who said what first on the internet is a different animal...

especially when its a friend thats taking the information and then being deceptive in selling a card on ebay....

its deceptive to compare the two....

im done with this bickering with you jake...my friend disclosed in her description TWICE...that the ruth is likely clubhouse. If you still have a problem with this...it will be your problem...I don't care anymore.

There are far worse d deceptions going on in the hobby these days.

[Johnny630]

The only thing that is going to definitely stop the criminals is for the buyer to stop buying !!! I wish people would wake up but they won’t they're addicted to PSA like a dope feen on opioids. They know it’s bad but they don’t care the need the High GPA or what that think is a good investment or something they can make money off of.

It’s going to crash the value of PSA 8’s-10’s just stand by......that will be everyone’s justice

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

The only thing that is going to definitely stop the criminals is for the buyer to stop buying !!! I wish people would wake up but they won’t they're addicted to PSA like a dope feen on opioids. They know it’s bad but they don’t care the need the High GPA or what that think is a good investment or something they can make money off of.

It’s going to crash the value of PSA 8’s-10’s just stand by......that will be everyone’s justice

I have found it fun to buy certain cards that are graded for less then the grading costs. So that way you can buy graded cards without helping them whichever company you dont like

its akin to buying a very used car for a brand of car you dont want to support for whatever reason....

[Dpeck100]

The Wagner is close to a million with more than 14 days to go. Apparently there are still a few out there that want to own expensive PSA graded cards.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT64997.aspx

[perezfan]

I think quite a few people with deep pockets would like a Wagner.... regardless of who graded it.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I think quite a few people with deep pockets would like a Wagner.... regardless of who graded it.

The card market isn't going to collapse. People have too much invested. Money, time, emotion, part of their identity, history, you name it.

This will go for a stupid number and someone will say the winner paid too much and then five years from now that will look like a cheap price.

[JeremyW]

I agree. It's a very special card & the "2" grade probably reinforces it being so special.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The Wagner is close to a million with more than 14 days to go. Apparently there are still a few out there that want to own expensive PSA graded cards.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT64997.aspx

Speaking of this Wagner...

Would most cards with missing corners like this Wagner get a "2" grade?

So much of both top corners are missing, that a significant portion of the orange background is gone. When corner wear far exceeds the white borders, is it customary for the card to get a "2"? I've seen cards far better than this graded "1" or "AUTH".

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The Wagner is close to a million with more than 14 days to go. Apparently there are still a few out there that want to own expensive PSA graded cards.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT64997.aspx

I don't know that pointing to the most iconic card in the hobby really makes much of a point. A real Honus T206 will sell for huge money, no matter what holder it is in.

When people think that the value of high-grade PSA cards will fall. they are referring to 8s, 9s and 10s, not Wagner T206s in a "2" holder.

[RCMcKenzie]

Keep up the good work, gang. Rob

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I don't know that pointing to the most iconic card in the hobby really makes much of a point. A real Honus T206 will sell for huge money, no matter what holder it is in.

When people think that the value of high-grade PSA cards will fall. they are referring to 8s, 9s and 10s, not Wagner T206s in a "2" holder.

In my view if the card world was imploding demand for all cards would decline. You would have a real shift in the demand curve and all prices would be lower. I just don't see it. The David Hall auctions did extremely well. If you look at completed listings from PWCC you wouldn't know there was an issue.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?item...g=200&_fosrp=1


Here is the link to their completed sales. If there was a bear market you would see it and you don't.

In the same Mile High auction there is a 58 Topps Mantle PSA 9 that is at nearly 19k. I don't have VCP and looked at the SMR and they have it at $22k and the only sale I saw was from 2014 and it was just over 21k.

The Mantle PSA 8 that most on this board screamed was shilled and how disgusting that a zero feedback bidder won. The person has a feedback rating now of 1 and has only bid on one item.

I think this is just going to be another round of disappointment for those that don't like PSA and grading in general.

PSA's stock was supposed to implode and instead has screamed north and is up nearly 50% since the story broke. Their sales are through the roof and their backlog is the largest in company history. It is hard for me to see a scenario where this turns on a dime.