Proof that the market value for PSA and 'conserved' cards have dropped

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

nah thats deceptive .i dont say other ideas are my own or make a listing on ebay that desceptive..


'Show me the carDfax'

Jake,

In January 2018 Spaeth started a thread “Card doctoring ....”

You might want to check out post #75,

Then stop patting yourself on the back,

And then apologize.

To avoid any suggestion of deception, the aforementioned post #75 is added below


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I find this thread troubling on a personal level, for some of you might consider me both a “card” and a “doctor”. It is amusing though to expand the concepts related to the hobby into other fields. The proposal of listing flaws on the flips instead of a numerical grade, I find interesting for two reasons.

First consider if you will old people instead of old cards. As a group we would be spared the humiliation of being graded 1, 2 or 3 with nary a 10 in sight in our retirement enclaves. Our flips would be too large to lug around though and too long to read for practical social events. I suppose we could carry credit cards with embedded chips and have access to ubiquitous chip readers though.

Second consider the field of Plastic Surgery, the true “villains” of medicine. Restoration, augmentation and flaw ablation is their bailiwick. In the world of “people flips”, their work is judged by third party graders, spouses and mirrors.
If your wife was a 4 pre-operatively before the face lift or boob job, and considers herself a 6 after the procedure, the plastic surgeon is successful and rewarded. Maybe it should just be called “Grade Bump Surgery”.

The same type of analogy could be applied to your automobile susceptible to both fender benders or a total loss as the result of an accident. The total loss or “beater” ends up in the collection at a junk yard. The fender bender though is rewarded with a trip to the Body Shop, where the goal is the ultimate grade bump to 10. Corners are restored, centering or at least symmetry is achieved and inevitably a little color is added, before delivery.

So, whether graded or not, fear not for your cardboard collection. Just remember that when purchasing cards, always remember to utter the following.


SHOW ME THE CARDFAX


But don’t ask the ladies about their plastic surgery or look for their scars, just compliment them on their beauty.

Edited to add: drcy is great
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[drcy]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Jake,

In January 2018 Spaeth started a thread “Card doctoring ....”

You might want to check out post #75,

Then stop patting yourself on the back,

And then apologize.

I couldn't find the thread, but I think it says how great I am.

Don't worry, I accept everyone's apology.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Jake,

In January 2018 Spaeth started a thread “Card doctoring ....”

You might want to check out post #75,

Then stop patting yourself on the back,

And then apologize.

Hmmm...thats deceptive!

[frankbmd]

Post #67 amended. Awaiting apologies from anyone, but not holding my breath.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Post #67 amended. Awaiting apologies from anyone, but not holding my breath.

Hey Frank. I just want to apologize on behalf of anyone and everyone.
It seems like the Canadian thing to do.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Post #67 amended. Awaiting apologies from anyone, but not holding my breath.

Frank...I hope you have the patience of a cubs fan...and the breath holding capacity of a free diver!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Frank...I hope you have the patience of a cubs fan...and the breath holding capacity of a free diver!

Neither, but I do get a Rebel Yell itch watching the Brewers in September. Cheers!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Neither, but I do get a Rebel Yell itch watching the Brewers in September. Cheers!

I have emails from earlier and i said its a long list....i used carfax analogies in all sorts of things as well as 'card on steroids' or whatever on steroids , and show me the housefax etc.......good minds think alike.. I havent seen anyone use it as tagline either..

Anyone have the idea about putting a hole punch in the trimmed cards that were turned in ......

[drcy]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I have emails from earlier and i said its a long list....i used carfax analogies in all sorts of things as well as 'card on steroids' or whatever on steroids , and show me the housefax etc.......good minds think alike.. I havent seen anyone use it as tagline either..

Anyone have the idea about putting a hole punch in the trimmed cards that were turned in ......

Personally-- as in my opinion, feel free disagree if you wish-- is that the PWCC et al cards be permanently defaced but still collectible. A punch hole would work fine with me.

For cards owned by the FBI, this is something they might do. Though people's fears may be that they may destroy them.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Hmmm...thats deceptive!

Deceptive in milking someone out of money versus who said what first on the internet is a different animal...

especially when its a friend thats taking the information and then being deceptive in selling a card on ebay....

its deceptive to compare the two....

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Deceptive in milking someone out of money versus who said what first on the internet is a different animal...

especially when its a friend thats taking the information and then being deceptive in selling a card on ebay....

its deceptive to compare the two....

im done with this bickering with you jake...my friend disclosed in her description TWICE...that the ruth is likely clubhouse. If you still have a problem with this...it will be your problem...I don't care anymore.

There are far worse d deceptions going on in the hobby these days.

[Johnny630]

The only thing that is going to definitely stop the criminals is for the buyer to stop buying !!! I wish people would wake up but they won’t they're addicted to PSA like a dope feen on opioids. They know it’s bad but they don’t care the need the High GPA or what that think is a good investment or something they can make money off of.

It’s going to crash the value of PSA 8’s-10’s just stand by......that will be everyone’s justice

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

The only thing that is going to definitely stop the criminals is for the buyer to stop buying !!! I wish people would wake up but they won’t they're addicted to PSA like a dope feen on opioids. They know it’s bad but they don’t care the need the High GPA or what that think is a good investment or something they can make money off of.

It’s going to crash the value of PSA 8’s-10’s just stand by......that will be everyone’s justice

I have found it fun to buy certain cards that are graded for less then the grading costs. So that way you can buy graded cards without helping them whichever company you dont like

its akin to buying a very used car for a brand of car you dont want to support for whatever reason....

[Dpeck100]

The Wagner is close to a million with more than 14 days to go. Apparently there are still a few out there that want to own expensive PSA graded cards.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT64997.aspx

[perezfan]

I think quite a few people with deep pockets would like a Wagner.... regardless of who graded it.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The Wagner is close to a million with more than 14 days to go. Apparently there are still a few out there that want to own expensive PSA graded cards.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT64997.aspx

Speaking of this Wagner...

Would most cards with missing corners like this Wagner get a "2" grade?

So much of both top corners are missing, that a significant portion of the orange background is gone. When corner wear far exceeds the white borders, is it customary for the card to get a "2"? I've seen cards far better than this graded "1" or "AUTH".

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

The Wagner is close to a million with more than 14 days to go. Apparently there are still a few out there that want to own expensive PSA graded cards.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT64997.aspx

I don't know that pointing to the most iconic card in the hobby really makes much of a point. A real Honus T206 will sell for huge money, no matter what holder it is in.

When people think that the value of high-grade PSA cards will fall. they are referring to 8s, 9s and 10s, not Wagner T206s in a "2" holder.