Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[Fred]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Here’s another one for the investigation team. Sold on eBay last summer, an American Beauty backed signed Livingston on the reverse. Thoughts on this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Paddy-...-/362320695143

Better res pics available here:

https://imgur.com/2zaWcwy

https://imgur.com/nLJ87Wc

I hope the Livingston auto is real. If not, then at least the forger knew better to not add the "e" to the end of the name.

This just really pisses me off. A lot of us have been in this hobby since we were kids. Now I'm really starting to hate something that I grew up loving.

This hobby is turning into a sham (has been for a while):

• PSA8 trimmed Wagner
• PSA graded “Hall” collection T206s
• all the fake cards
• all the fake autographs
• and now this - what some people consider an industry expert in autograph authentication looks like it doesn’t have a clue in what they’re doing (finally proving what a lot of people have been saying for a long time....)

JSA is going to come out stinking on this but somehow I get the feeling they’ll get past this (unfortunately). Personally, I hope this sinks JSA and somehow a hobby evolution starts where things get cleaned up.... you know what they say, "wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which fills up faster"...

I cannot possibly understand how T206Collector and others scammed by this/these assholes must be feeling right now.

[theshleps]

I have the fake T206 Flick bought in the Feb 2016 Hunt auction. I probably own close to 20 signed tobacco cards (T206, 205, 202, etc), I posted half a dozen or so. The rest I am very confident in and are mainly Marquards. I only collect HOFers. This forger dealt alot with shakier end of life signatures tho not exclusively
Emotions are mixed. I am glad I have another Flick that is good.
I would like to see the forger in jail and I would like someone to refund the $ I spent. I have always expectedt a small % of my signed cards to be fake (I have about 5000 signed) tho most were bought from very reputable sources, and I expect TPA's a small % of the time to make mistakes. I would love to somehow get the forger to publish a list of all the cards he forged and sold tho that is most likely wishful thinking. For the past few years I have thought about liquidating my collection and just keeping one of each HOFer (mostly in autograph books which are much more likely to be legit).
I was never that comfortable with SGC and recently decided to get some of my valuable cards slabbed with PSA. I spent 2 days with Bill Corcoran who taught me much and he had the highest level of integrity and concern for unearthing fakes. After Bill gave his opinion Kevin Keating and 2 others also looked everything over. I was very impressed tho I fought TPAs for many years. These guys do want to clean up the hobby.
I do think the TPAs should delineate what they do- do they just look at the signature, do they look like Manny did for the card in an unsigned version, can they date the ink? etc. It would be nice to know the whole process. Alot comes down to cost benefit ratio. If I give them 20 Koufax at $20 each including the slabbing process it they can't do exhaustive searches etc. I'd have to be willing to pay more for a more exhaustive examination. It is an opinion of someone who hopefully is learned like Bill and Kevin. I always used to run my possibly purchases by Jim Stinson and Ron Gordon. I have a love hate relationship with autograph collecting and I love the friendships I have made. I may pull the plug like Jason did (great timing Jason). I fell bad for Paul as I only have a bad Flick so far compared to him.
I am trying to not get too freaked out but it is a travesty