Fake Signed T206 Cards (Too Many to List in the Title, See First Post for List)

[painthistorian]

I will be speaking to Jason this morning after he returns from court...I will authorize Jason as an attorney to release the guys e bay ID(he currently sells on e bay) and I also will provide an original print out on "Feedback forum: Reply to Feedback Received) which also includes the detailed verification of the item # match that now clearly ties the winning bidder with the worchpoint summary page provided by Pat...this shows a clear connection to the "coded" e bay name seen on this post and also the bidder resides, lets guess...in OHIO.

I am wondering if this same person also is responsible for some of the fake PSA slabbed cards that were offered from same state.

[SetBuilder]

Fun fact: Girard, Ohio was the location of one of the Cliff Panezich associates.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by painthistorian

I will be speaking to Jason this morning after he returns from court...I will authorize Jason as an attorney to release the guys e bay ID(he currently sells on e bay) and I also will provide an original print out on "Feedback forum: Reply to Feedback Received) which also includes the detailed verification of the item # match that now clearly ties the winning bidder with the worchpoint summary page provided by Pat...this shows a clear connection to the "coded" e bay name seen on this post and also the bidder resides, lets guess...in OHIO.

I am wondering if this same person also is responsible for some of the fake PSA slabbed cards that were offered from same state.

Larry -- if it was mentioned earlier forgive me, but what fake PSA slabbed cards out of Ohio?

[Orioles1954]

My first thought is how dumb can a forger be? Why would he/they buy easily trackable cards rather than picking them up at a regional show. Perhaps they have changed their methods?

[jchcollins]

The rage of it aside, this whole type of thing is fascinating to me. Put it in the back of the book in a chapter after the Mastro Wagner story. What neat little vehicles for fraud these little T-206's have turned out to be a century on...

[theshleps]

If the seller is still selling on ebay it would be easy to buy something from him and trace the paypal payment if his name isn't already known

[jad22]

Originally Posted by theshleps

If the seller is still selling on ebay it would be easy to buy something from him and trace the paypal payment if his name isn't already known

It appears some people know the name. Is it a member of this site?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jad22

It appears some people know the name. Is it a member of this site?

The only name I have isn't a member according to records checked. That doesn't mean they aren't here, they can crawl under the fence fairly easily. Caveat Emptor...

[dmanrico]

Originally Posted by theshleps

If the seller is still selling on ebay it would be easy to buy something from him and trace the paypal payment if his name isn't already known

I had the same thought. The eBay ID that was posted last night did not have any items for sale and in scrolling through feedback I only saw buy side reviews.

[daves_resale_shop]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

I had the same thought. The eBay ID that was posted last night did not have any items for sale and in scrolling through feedback I only saw buy side reviews.

what was the ebay id?

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by dmanrico

I had the same thought. The eBay ID that was posted last night did not have any items for sale and in scrolling through feedback I only saw buy side reviews.

I saw that too. Nothing currently for sale .

I purchased a Fred Snodgrass personalized photo, a Chief Meyers note written on an index card, and a Fred Parent cut from the same seller a couple years ago. They looked real from the exemplars I studied, but who knows. If this is the forger, maybe these were real ones that he used to make his fakes? Or maybe they were his practice ones that came out looking good.

I did ask him about the provenance. He told me the AH he won them from in a large lot from an original collection that was collected TTM in the 1960's. I have to dig them out but I believe they are personalized to Mike and Tom (Father and son). I remember he had others for sale as well. A couple were Larry Doyle photos taken in Sarnac Lake, NY when he was recuperating from tuberculosis.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

My first thought is how dumb can a forger be? Why would he/they buy easily trackable cards rather than picking them up at a regional show. Perhaps they have changed their methods?

Yup, but keep in mind it still took 3-4 years for anybody to catch up with them.

I keep on reading these pronouncements about how the TPA's would have been able to catch this if they had just spent 10 minutes more on the autographs.

It actually took the right domino to fall for these to actually get found out. These have been fooling experienced collectors for years it looks like.