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Old 09-13-2016, 08:35 AM
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Brent, thanks for removing those bids on those few items, but this bidder 7**0 is shilling a ton more of your auctions. Basically, just about all of your 71 Kelloggs that you have up. This bidder is the consignor (he just won these exact same cards). Another example,



OLD AUCTION:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/142049996438?rmvSB=true
Ebay Auction Date: 7/19/16
Ebay Item: 142049996438
Amount: $187.50
Winner: 7***0
PSA Cert: 25471731


Current Auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Kellogg...-/142107799983


As you can see, the winning bidder of the old auction is bidding up the current auction. Another question, did this same bidder submit the McCovey back in July? If you look at that original auction, he was trying to shill it too. His/her bidding for that original auction makes no sense if you are trying to win the item. I can bring up over a dozen examples like this and i am not even looking that deep into it.
I sincerely hope you are emailing Brent with this information and not just posting it on here.

dariushou you are doing a great service to the collecting community, Thank You!!!
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Old 09-13-2016, 09:45 AM
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Bidder Information
Bidder: 7***0 ( 1797Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999)
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: 1971 Kellogg's Willie McCovey #33 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 3

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1987
Items bid on: 551
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 25% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 19

This is the shill bidder mentioned in the earlier posts. 19 bid retractions in 6 months. With that bid history he should have been blocked by Brent and not allowed to keep bidding on his own items.

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Old 09-13-2016, 09:48 AM
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Old 09-13-2016, 04:53 PM
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I sincerely hope you are emailing Brent with this information and not just posting it on here.

dariushou you are doing a great service to the collecting community, Thank You!!!

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Old 09-13-2016, 05:05 PM
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I thought that this one looked pretty suspicious to me:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

So, I decided to list mine as an experiment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272369576810...84.m1555.l2648

I find it amazing how r***b bid all the way up to $5105 for this card, but yet, he hasn't contacted me on mine which would save him considerable $$$ since a PSA5 with great centering is really a $3500-$4000 card on a good day. Both cards are centered the same except mine doesn't have a "rough" cut along the top border.
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Old 09-13-2016, 05:12 PM
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I thought that this one looked pretty suspicious to me:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

So, I decided to list mine as an experiment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272369576810...84.m1555.l2648

I find it amazing how r***b bid all the way up to $5105 for this card, but yet, he hasn't contacted me on mine which would save him considerable $$$ since a PSA5 with great centering is really a $3500-$4000 card on a good day. Both cards are centered the same except mine doesn't have a "rough" cut along the top border.
Problem is you don't have the loyal bidders PWCC does. Hell they even make threads on the main page about how they ship in a timely manner.
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I thought that this one looked pretty suspicious to me:

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

So, I decided to list mine as an experiment:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272369576810...84.m1555.l2648

I find it amazing how r***b bid all the way up to $5105 for this card, but yet, he hasn't contacted me on mine which would save him considerable $$$ since a PSA5 with great centering is really a $3500-$4000 card on a good day. Both cards are centered the same except mine doesn't have a "rough" cut along the top border.
you make a good point. and you have a "make-offer" on your listing. Where are those underbidders?

I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't bid 2x over VCP on cards that appear on the market regularly every two months. But the person that does do this (3***x), either has a shitload of money and doesn't care, or deserves to be shilled by (r***b).
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Bidder Information
Bidder: 7***0 ( 1797Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999)
Feedback: 100% Positive
Item description: 1971 Kellogg's Willie McCovey #33 PSA 10 GEM MINT (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 3

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 1987
Items bid on: 551
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 25% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 19

This is the shill bidder mentioned in the earlier posts. 19 bid retractions in 6 months. With that bid history he should have been blocked by Brent and not allowed to keep bidding on his own items.
7***0 retracted his bid on this 71K #1 Simpson PSA 9: http://www.ebay.com/itm/401182615227...N34.S1.R1.TR10
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It appears his Simpson bid wasn't retracted but cancelled by Brent.
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Old 09-14-2016, 07:29 AM
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I have emailed Brent. It looks like Brent canceled this person's bid on just a few items. I've alerted Brent that this guy is shilling just about all of his 71 Kelloggs auctions.

Unfortunately, 7***0 still has in place a ton of bids that aren't winning the auction, but still holding up some of the prices. Worse, he is still high bidder on auction 142107799808. I would have had all of my employees making sure this shill bidder was not bidding on anything...I would think image would really matter in the auction world.

You know, i really shouldn't have to tell Brent this consignor (OR LAST winner of EXACT card) is bidding up his auctions. Where are the controls? It is the responsibility of Brent to have these basic controls and i'm sorry, i'm not seeing them.

I mean this guy literally won the exact same cards from Brent a couple months ago (same psa cert) and then consigned the exact same cards back with Brent and is now bidding them up. If that can't be checked then please.

Excuse the early emotional post--had to vent on this.

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Old 09-14-2016, 07:53 AM
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I have emailed Brent. It looks like Brent canceled this person's bid on just a few items. I've alerted Brent that this guy is shilling just about all of his 71 Kelloggs auctions.

Unfortunately, 7***0 still has in place a ton of bids that aren't winning the auction, but still holding up some of the prices. Worse, he is still high bidder on auction 141893244499. I would have had all of my employees making sure this shill bidder was not bidding on anything...I would think image would really matter in the auction world.

You know, i really shouldn't have to tell Brent this consignor (OR LAST winner of EXACT card) is bidding up his auctions. Where are the controls? It is the responsibility of Brent to have these basic controls and i'm sorry, i'm not seeing them.

I mean this guy literally won the exact same cards from Brent a couple months ago (same psa cert) and then consigned the exact same cards back with Brent and is now bidding them up. If that can't be checked then please.

Excuse the early emotional post--had to vent on this.
I completely understand your emotions. It is truly sad how full of scumbags our hobby is. I have a problem getting caught up in it sometimes also. Hell finding a honest business/seller is like finding a needle in a haystack.

I have to take a break every once in a while to remember why I collect and try to forget about all the scum trying to make a buck by lying, cheating, and stealing.
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I have emailed Brent. It looks like Brent canceled this person's bid on just a few items. I've alerted Brent that this guy is shilling just about all of his 71 Kelloggs auctions.

Unfortunately, 7***0 still has in place a ton of bids that aren't winning the auction, but still holding up some of the prices. Worse, he is still high bidder on auction 141893244499. I would have had all of my employees making sure this shill bidder was not bidding on anything...I would think image would really matter in the auction world.

You know, i really shouldn't have to tell Brent this consignor (OR LAST winner of EXACT card) is bidding up his auctions. Where are the controls? It is the responsibility of Brent to have these basic controls and i'm sorry, i'm not seeing them.

I mean this guy literally won the exact same cards from Brent a couple months ago (same psa cert) and then consigned the exact same cards back with Brent and is now bidding them up. If that can't be checked then please.

Excuse the early emotional post--had to vent on this.

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