Interesting Ebay Bidding

[Brent Huigens]

Thanks for the board for flagging this. We are indeed addressing the matter. The bid in question has been canceled and we are counseling the consignor on the auction rules.

Consignors bidding on their own items, even if it's in earnest to win something back, is not allowed. While there probably are scenarios where this practice is more-or-less reasonable/honest, we've had to take a strict stance against it to avoid potential manipulation. New consignors are warned and then blocked from working with us if the practice persists.

Please continue to help us monitor the marketplace. This oversight is greatly appreciated.

PWCC Auctions, LLC

[nsaddict]

Brent does deserve kudos for posting here and taking action. I wish ebay would have the balls to apply stricter bidding policies. As an example, bidding privileges should be revoked with too many bid retractions. Wouldn't be a cure all, but a start in the right direction. But we know they would never do such a thing.

[JustinD]

Thank you Brent.

You do deserve kudos for taking action.

[dclarkraiders]

Brent,

Thanks for taking action.

Duane

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Thank you Brent.

You do deserve kudos for taking action.

Yes he does. Unfortunately, we can't alert the other non-ebay AH's of this same practice because we can't see the bidders. So let's just assume this practice is rampant over there until otherwise noted.

[JustinD]

Trust me, it's fully assumed.

[dariushou]

Brent, thanks for removing those bids on those few items, but this bidder 7**0 is shilling a ton more of your auctions. Basically, just about all of your 71 Kelloggs that you have up. This bidder is the consignor (he just won these exact same cards). Another example,



OLD AUCTION:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/142049996438?rmvSB=true
Ebay Auction Date: 7/19/16
Ebay Item: 142049996438
Amount: $187.50
Winner: 7***0
PSA Cert: 25731942


Current Auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Kellogg...-/142107799983


As you can see, the winning bidder of the old auction is bidding up the current auction. Another question, did this same bidder submit the McCovey back in July? If you look at that original auction, he was trying to shill it too. His/her bidding for that original auction makes no sense if you are trying to win the item. I can bring up over a dozen examples like this and i am not even looking that deep into it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by dariushou

Brent, thanks for removing those bids on those few items, but this bidder 7**0 is shilling a ton more of your auctions. Basically, just about all of your 71 Kelloggs that you have up. This bidder is the consignor (he just won these exact same cards). Another example,



OLD AUCTION:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/142049996438?rmvSB=true
Ebay Auction Date: 7/19/16
Ebay Item: 142049996438
Amount: $187.50
Winner: 7***0
PSA Cert: 25471731


Current Auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Kellogg...-/142107799983


As you can see, the winning bidder of the old auction is bidding up the current auction. Another question, did this same bidder submit the McCovey back in July? If you look at that original auction, he was trying to shill it too. His/her bidding for that original auction makes no sense if you are trying to win the item. I can bring up over a dozen examples like this and i am not even looking that deep into it.

I sincerely hope you are emailing Brent with this information and not just posting it on here.

dariushou you are doing a great service to the collecting community, Thank You!!!

[Thekid1]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Thanks for the board for flagging this. We are indeed addressing the matter. The bid in question has been canceled and we are counseling the consignor on the auction rules.

Consignors bidding on their own items, even if it's in earnest to win something back, is not allowed. While there probably are scenarios where this practice is more-or-less reasonable/honest, we've had to take a strict stance against it to avoid potential manipulation. New consignors are warned and then blocked from working with us if the practice persists.

Please continue to help us monitor the marketplace. This oversight is greatly appreciated.

PWCC Auctions, LLC

Awesome Brent. Quick response and action!

[rjackson44]

this will never end ,,feebay is too greedy

[dariushou]

So i was on the CU boards today and came about a post with the title "Pwcc Description" and of course i couldn't resist. Someone pointed out a 1954 Aaron RC that ended last night. Of course it took all of 2 minutes to realize it was shilled. The same person who won the exact same card on June 12, 2016 (same psa cert number) was bidding on the auction that ended November 22, 2016. Anyhow, here is what i posted over there. When will this stop!!

"
Anyone see this one end last night, lol.

http://http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Topps-Hank-Aaron-ROOKIE-RC-128-PSA-7-NRMT-PWCC-/142177026548?rmvSB=true

Is it me or isn't the above card the same exact card as the one below that ended on June 12, 2016 (same psa cert). Oh, wow, correct me if i'm wrong, but it looks like the guy who won on June 12th was bidding up the auction from last night. What a joke? This happens all of the time with PWCC auctions. I don't know what's real or what's fake anymore. One offs can happen, but please...it happens all of the time. And this is just the most obvious type of shills. Sure, someone is going to come on here and say the guy had sellers remorse and wanted to buy his card back.. yeah right! "

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/401130680730?rmvSB=true

[Snapolit1]

As someone schooled me recently, if you don't shill your auctions on PWCC you will probably do quite poorly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

More notable is how much the price has dropped in a few months.

[dariushou]

Still at inflated prices if you ask me. I love the 54 aaron, but there are ~350 copies in psa 7 - 7.5. It's a lot easier to shill PSA 7's and 8's and hide it because there are a number of examples out there. Of course 9s and 10s benefit from shilling too and from the effect of shilling the lower graded cards.

If someone really lost this kind of money and with the examples of shills out there, i couldn't imagine there not being some major investigations or lawsuits. I mean some guys "lost" over $40K on like a $80k item. People just don't lose that kind of money and chalk that up as part of doing business. The problem is that these are not just one off cases--it's rampant. It's just so obvious.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Thanks for the board for flagging this. We are indeed addressing the matter. The bid in question has been canceled and we are counseling the consignor on the auction rules.

Consignors bidding on their own items, even if it's in earnest to win something back, is not allowed. While there probably are scenarios where this practice is more-or-less reasonable/honest, we've had to take a strict stance against it to avoid potential manipulation. New consignors are warned and then blocked from working with us if the practice persists.

Please continue to help us monitor the marketplace. This oversight is greatly appreciated.

PWCC Auctions, LLC

Bravo, Brent