"Lucky 7" find - Cobb with Cobb back

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

the 524 is based on the front... not the back. This is "just another" Cobb Red Portrait.

[tedzan]

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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Ted,

You're missing the point that Erick and "packs" are making.
This wouldn't be a 5th Cobb, the Cobb (red portrait) already
exists in the 524 card checklist.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Ted,

You're missing the point that Erick and "packs" are making.
This wouldn't be a 5th Cobb, the Cobb (red portrait) already
exists in the 524 card checklist.

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.


TED Z
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[jbl79]

According to PSA, two of the cards from the find have sold. The purchase prices haven't been revealed yet.

[Bruinsfan94]

[QUOTE=tedzan;1511276]Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.




I'm not understanding the logic here? I'm fine with the idea that every back is a different card but how does the number 525 or 593 come into play? If Cobb red with Cobb back is 525 why isn't say Cobb red with Polar back 526?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have no opinion, but I infer Ted thinks it's sufficiently different because it was distributed differently and/or is glossy that it counts as its own card.

[irishdenny]

I do Believe that Mr. Barker Viewed the "Ty Cobb Back" as an Anomaly within the T206 Set...

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.


TED Z
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I'll go with Ted Z's opinion every time pertaining backs....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I'll go with Ted Z's opinion every time....

And the earth is flat. I am 54 yrs old and you can believe me!!

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not sure I would want the Harris Collection pedigree either.
http://catalog.scpauctions.com/1909-...-lot29314.aspx

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

card 526?

I guess I shouldn't have posted that link as I know practically nothing about these cards but when I seen it while surfing E-Bay, I thought maybe it was fitting for this thread?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

And the earth is flat. I am 54 yrs old and you can believe me!!

Leon- I guess I should have been more specific, as I was simply referring to Ted's knowledge of T206 backs. He has helped me numerous times in the past, and I value his opinion greatly. I know there are many more guys on the board who also have outstanding knowledge pertaining this subject...

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !



I fully understand what they were driving at.



I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.



TED Z

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If you are counting "cards", then you are missing about 6000. See page 67 of Inside T206 which accounts for:
524 subjects
35 backs
6845 theoretical combinations (cards)

http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t206/i...al-edition.pdf


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[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by t206hound

If you are counting "cards", then you are missing about 6000. See page 67 of Inside T206 which accounts for:
524 subjects
35 backs
6845 theoretical combinations (cards)

http://www.oldcardboard.com/t/t206/i...al-edition.pdf


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+1

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Gradedcardman

+1

Hi Adam

Empirically speaking, David Hall's master T206 set is about 95% complete at approx. 5000 - T206's.

This number translates to the final front/back permutation count of 5200 - 5300 T206's.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

Furthermore, I consider that the 68 cards in the 1910 COUPON series should be included in the T206 set. Which now brings the total
to 593 cards comprising a complete T206 set....which consists of 17 basic Tobacco brands.

And, this is my opinion, of which I am entitled to have and to speak of (having collected T206's for 36 years).


Obviously, you (and some others) disagree; and, that is your prerogative.


TED Z
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Pardon me Ted, but I don't see how I insulted your intelligence.
Erick and packs asked you why you think the Cobb/Cobb should
be added to the basic set and you come back and post a couple
of times why you think it should be considered a T206 which
was completely different from what they were asking.

It doesn't matter to me whether the Cobb/Cobb or Coupon 1 are
considered a T206 or not so I don't have an opinion on it but
stating that a card is indeed the 525th card in the set
is stating a fact not an opinion.

Sometime your posts can be hard to decipher when you contradict
yourself. You said the Cobb/Cobb should be the 525th card in the
set and the 5th Cobb but based on your follow up post in your
own opinion it should be the 6th Cobb (Coupon 1) and there
should be 7 Hal Chase cards not 5.

[tedzan]

Pat R.

Perhaps, I got carried away with my comments regarding the Ty Cobb Tobacco card and the 1910 COUPON series of 68 cards....because I strongly feel that these 69 cards
should be included in the T206 family; and, that there are really 17 basic Tobacco brands within the T206 timeline. All 69 of these cards were issued in the Spring of 1910.

What really ticked me off was your response (cited here) questioning the date of the Ty Cobb Tobacco card [I guess for whatever reason it does not jive with your agenda]:

Originally Posted by Pat R

I did see post #81 and I don't see where it "clearly tells us when the cards
were circulated". I also don't see a date on any of the newspaper clippings.

The date....Feb. and Mar. of 1910....of these Newspaper clippings is identified by the fellow who posted it, Shawn. Shawn was an excellent contributor to Net54 back in 2009.

So, are you are accusing Shawn of lying about this date ?

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Shawn

I am not sure what the article below is about, because I do not have a subscription to the site... I sure would like to read it though! I have noticed that the "Ty Cobb" brand advertisements are prodominately in the "Macon Weekly Telegraph" paper in Ga. The months seem to be Feb. and Mar. of 1910. If someone has a subscription to genealogybank.com, it would be nice to see some of the full adds. (there seems to be some full page adds)



Macon Weekly Telegraph 1910

TED Z
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[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Don't insult my intelligence !

I fully understand what they were driving at.

I stated that I consider this Cobb card the 525th card in the T206 set. Notice, I have emphasized the word CARD; and, not subject.

TED Z

.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat R.

Perhaps, I got carried away with my comments regarding the Ty Cobb Tobacco card and the 1910 COUPON series of 68 cards....because I strongly feel that these 69 cards
should be included in the T206 family; and, that there are really 17 basic Tobacco brands within the T206 timeline. All 69 of these cards were issued in the Spring of 1910.

.

So are you still saying 525?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pat R.

Perhaps, I got carried away with my comments regarding the Ty Cobb Tobacco card and the 1910 COUPON series of 68 cards....because I strongly feel that these 69 cards
should be included in the T206 family; and, that there are really 17 basic Tobacco brands within the T206 timeline. All 69 of these cards were issued in the Spring of 1910.

What really ticked me off was your response (cited here) questioning the date of the Ty Cobb Tobacco card [I guess for whatever reason it does not jive with your agenda]:




The date....Feb. and Mar. of 1910....of these Newspaper clippings is identified by the fellow who posted it, Shawn. Shawn was an excellent contributor to Net54 back in 2009.

So, are you are accusing Shawn of lying about this date ?







TED Z
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I'm not accusing Shawn of lying if you read his response he states that "the
months seem to be Feb. and Mar. 1910" which leads me to believe he Didn't
find a definite date on these clippings.

And if you could please show me where it clearly states when the Cobb/Cobb
cards were circulated in the clippings I'd appreciate it, Perhaps I'm missing that.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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1. Bat on
2. Bat off
3. Red portrait
4. Green portrait
5. ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1. Bat on
2. Bat off
3. Red portrait
4. Green portrait
5. ?

Glossy red portrait maybe??

[deucetwins]

Are we 100% sure that the cards, the holders, and the flips didn't come from Mexico.