"Lucky 7" find - Cobb with Cobb back

[Bpm0014]

Asinine indeed. If you were to introduce a fake Cobb/Cobb back to the marketplace, surely you wouldn't introduce SEVEN (7) fake Cobb/Cobb backs at one time to the marketplace!

[packs]

No opinion on authenticity but I think it is important to be at least a little skeptical of something like this. The hobby deemed a blue backed Old Mill authentic despite there being a reprinted T206 set with the same style and color backs.

[Orioles1954]

Could there have been multiple Cobb cards packed per tin? We already know the Red Portrait was a superprint. Could the the ATC have shipped overstock to this regional brand? Maybe that could explain the quantities.

[tedzan]

We had a interesting and spirited discussion on this subject 7 years ago. Check-out this thread (dated 1-26-2009).."Continuing the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back debate"
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92026

If you don't have the time to read thru this very informative thread, then I'll save you the trouble by this excerpting this Post (#89) in it......

These Feb and Mar 1910 Newspaper clippings cinched for me....these dates fall within the T206 rubric....this Cobb card is indeed the 525th card in the T206 set.

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Shawn

I am not sure what the article below is about, because I do not have a subscription to the site... I sure would like to read it though! I have noticed that the "Ty Cobb" brand advertisements are prodominately in the "Macon Weekly Telegraph" paper in Ga. The months seem to be Feb. and Mar. of 1910. If someone has a subscription to genealogybank.com, it would be nice to see some of the full adds. (there seems to be some full page adds)


"Macon Weekly Telegraph" 1910

TED Z
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[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

These Feb and Mar 1910 Newspaper clippings cinched for me....these dates fall within the T206 rubric....this Cobb card is indeed the 525th card in the T206 set.
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As stated earlier, unless the front of the Cobb (Red Portrait)/Ty Cobb back is different from the Cobb (Red Portrait) of every other back, then it would not be #525.

[tedzan]

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

[packs]

It is not. Then you'd have to count all the T213-1s and the T215-1s. They have the same fronts as well. It is not a new card. The checklist is not broken down by backs, it's broken down by fronts.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

the 524 is based on the front... not the back. This is "just another" Cobb Red Portrait.

[yoyot1]

Originally Posted by tedzan

We had a interesting and spirited discussion on this subject 7 years ago. Check-out this thread (dated 1-26-2009).."Continuing the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back debate"
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92026

If you don't have the time to read thru this very informative thread, then I'll save you the trouble by this excerpting this Post (#89) in it......

These Feb and Mar 1910 Newspaper clippings cinched for me....these dates fall within the T206 rubric....this Cobb card is indeed the 525th card in the T206 set.






TED Z
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Just to add a little more info - I did a little bit of research on Ty Cobb tobacco awhile ago, and the earliest references to it that I've found precede those in the Macon newspaper.

Nov. 16 1909, in the Reidsville Review newspaper (Reidsville is the home of Factory 33), is the earliest mention I found. The other mentions in the Reidsville Review are from Jan 25 and 28, 1910, and Webster's Weekly (Reidsville) on Jan 27, 1910.

I don't consider the Ty Cobb a T206 card, i just think it is a one-off card. I'm fine with the assumption that it was included in the tins (which I don't think there is any proof of yet, but makes sense). FR Penn joined the trust secretly around 1903/4 I think, but to the outside world it was still presented as an independent. I don't think it become publicly outed as controlled by the trust until 1910 (I've misplaced the newspaper article that indicated this, and may have my years mixed up) - if this is the case and the card was distributed in 1909/10 then it could have appeared to just be a card from a different tobacco company. It was definitely distributed in a different way from other T206s as the only card from Factory 33.

But that's all my opinion, and I'd be happy to see further evidence.

[Mdmtx]

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

Dude probably liked Ty Cobb tobacco. Bought a few tins and saved the cards. Doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

[Mdmtx]

And I'm also relieved that nobody would try to have a sensational positive news story on the heels of bad press. That stuff doesn't happen, does it?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

And I'm also relieved that nobody would try to have a sensational positive news story on the heels of bad press. That stuff doesn't happen, does it?

Don't worry Mark, there isn't any writing on the backs of these.

[Mdmtx]

Lol

[GasHouseGang]

Maybe these cards were issued like the caramel cards. If you bought a tin of Ty Cobb tobacco, you would get a Cobb card. Someone who owns a store, ends up with a small pile of leftovers after the promotion. They put the leftover cards in a paper bag and forgets about them. 100 years later they are found in the bottom of the paper bag. It's possible.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glynparson

is asinine. They are real again are people just ignorant about this card and its history of being found in groups or are they just jealous they did not make the find?

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Asinine indeed. If you were to introduce a fake Cobb/Cobb back to the marketplace, surely you wouldn't introduce SEVEN (7) fake Cobb/Cobb backs at one time to the marketplace!

Asinine? First of all, I was only joking. Second, if you were going to 'fake' the find of course you would introduce 7 at the same time because, as Glyn mentioned, they have a history of being found in groups.

Get your panties out of a wad.