assault weapon ban again

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I realize Tea Party members don't want a "democratic reform" but wouldn't they be interested in a reform that Cantor would be able to sell to the GOP? Isn't that better than what we currently have?

Where's the compromise?

Don't both people/parties usually give-up something in a compromise? Ok, the right gives in and gives them a path to citizenship? What does the left give up?

How do we keep more from coming into the US illegally?

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

They're not going to stop crossing our borders. Ever. We could put up a wall, hire an additional 10,000 troops and construct some sort of super laser that incinerates anyone with illegal thoughts, but they will continue to find a way across.

The only way to prevent them from crossing our border illegally is to provide a legal way to cross that is a more attractive option than just sneaking through the desert.

Stop wasting money on a fruitless effort and put them to work. Grant them work visas and allow their children to go to our schools for a fee. Don't grant them citizenship, don't allow them to vote, just let them work.

Children of illegal aliens shouldn't be granted citizenship, they should be of the same status of their parents.

You know what, Jason, I would have no problem with that if it actually worked. Some come over on work visas for a specified period of time, work hard, go back after their work visas expire, allow others to come over, repeat process. Sounds good in theory, but what happens when their work visas expire and they don't leave?

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Why should we let the work visas expire? Just let them stay in the country and work. We'll collect taxes, we force them to buy into Obamacare (if they do it at a young age we'll actually MAKE money on them) and we won't collect or give them social security (because they're not citizens).

They'll come into our country and work until there little Mexican bodies can't handle it anymore.

It'll never happen though because Republicans will call it too soft (since we're letting Mexicans into 'MERICA!) and Democrats will think it's too harsh (since we're not letting them vote).

Come on, Jason. Of course a work visa would expire. They would go home after expiration, new workers would come over. Otherwise, if the work visas don't expire, then do we just give one to everybody that wants one and let everybody come on in? If not, how do you determine who get one and who doesn't? Brings me back to my question: What happens when they don't go home?

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[nolemmings]

Compromise is weakness Jason. C'mon man, get with the program.

Here is an op-ed by George Will from a few months ago. For those who may not know, George Will is one the most conservative traditional republicans in the country, whose opinions I respect but seldom find lined up well with my own. I don't even agree with all of this, but find it at least an interesting attempt at dialogue. Alas, the people to whom it is best directed are also the least capable of and willing to understand it.

Here is the link, http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...5fb_story.html
with much of the substance quoted as follows:

"Many Republicans say immigration policy divides their party. If, however, the party becomes a gaggle of veto groups enforcing unanimities, it will become what completely harmonious parties are: small.

Many Republicans see in immigrants only future Democratic votes. This descent into Democratic-style identity politics is unworthy of Republicans, and unrealistic. U.S. history tells a consistent story — the party identified with prosperity, and hence opportunity, prospers.

Many Republicans have understandable cultural concerns, worrying that immigrants from this hemisphere do not experience the “psychological guillotine” that severed trans-Atlantic immigrants from prior allegiances. But are there data proving that U.S. culture has lost its assimilative power? Thirty-five percent of illegal adult immigrants have been here at least 15 years, 28 percent for 10 to 14 years and only 15 percent for less than five years. Thirty-five percent own their homes. Are we sure they are resisting assimilation?

Many Republicans rightly say that control of borders is an essential ingredient of national sovereignty. But net immigration from Mexico has recently been approximately zero. Border Patrol spending, which quadrupled in the 1990s, tripled in the 2000s. With illegal entries near a 40-year low, and a 2012 Government Accountability Office assessment that border security was then 84 percent effective, will a “border surge” of $30 billion more for the further militarization (actually, the East Germanization) of the 1,969 miles assuage remaining worries?

Many Republicans say Barack Obama cannot be trusted to enforce reforms. This is, however, no reason for not improving immigration laws that subsequent presidents will respect. Besides, the Obama administration’s deportations are, if anything, excessive, made possible by post-9/11 technological and manpower resources. As the Economist tartly noted, “a mass murder committed by mostly Saudi terrorists resulted in an almost limitless amount of money being made available for the deportation of Mexican house-painters.”

Many Republicans say immigration runs counter to U.S. social policies aiming to reduce the number of people with low levels of skill and education, and must further depress the wages of Americans at the bottom of the economic ladder, who are already paying the price for today’s economic anemia. This is true. But so is this: The Congressional Budget Office says an initial slight reduction of low wages (0.1 percent in a decade) will be followed by increased economic growth partly attributable to immigrants. Immigration is the entrepreneurial act of taking the risk of uprooting oneself and plunging into uncertainty. Small wonder, then, that immigrants are about 20 percent of owners of small businesses, and that more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children."