assault weapon ban again

[nolemmings]

Some would say they're doing their job just fine. "CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years":

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politi...k-immigration/

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Some would say they're doing their job just fine. "CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years":

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politi...k-immigration/

Tell me, how do they estimate fewer border crossings? Do they have a meter or turnstile that measures incoming illegal immigrants? Seriouly though, they only compare the number of apprehensions from previous years (which is definitely lower - no argument there) and assume that equates to fewer crossings. There is truly no way to measure illegal border crossings, they can only measure apprehensions.

Besides, that article was written last year with data up to 2011. Sure there were few border crossings in 2011, there were fewer jobs to cross over for. In fact, many illegal immigrants were going back home at that time because they couldn't find work over here.

[vintage954]

This thread is hilarious....

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by vintage954

This thread is hilarious....

So true. It almost makes me want to shoot myself

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Paul S

So true. It almost makes me want to shoot myself

If only the government hadn't bought all that ammo that they are going to destroy. LOL

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

If only the government hadn't bought all that ammo that they are going to destroy. LOL

Yup, going to destroy over a BILLION dollars worth of ammo. Kind of kills the whole "buying in bulk to save money" argument.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yup, going to destroy over a BILLION dollars worth of ammo. Kind of kills the whole "buying in bulk to save money" argument.

I was joking. I don't think the government is destroying the ammo it just bought.

[vintage954]

I don't understand why people piss and moan about gun ownership? It's not going anywhere so get over it. I don't understand why people complain about how much ammo the gov't buys. Get over it. Just because an agent only needs 100 rounds to qualify in "your" mind, doesn't mean that the agent doesn't wanna practice beyond that. People complain about the dumbest shit

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Some would say they're doing their job just fine. "CNN Fact Check: Illegal border crossings at lowest levels in 40 years":

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/politi...k-immigration/

But, of the ones we do catch, we plan on releasing 500 of them a week into the US...

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...r-Week-Into-US

As was Clayton's original point, the Border Patrol is a freaking joke! But, hey, that's an extra 500 votes a week, right?

[nolemmings]

While I cannot comment too much on the California situation, I assume it is the same as what exists here in Arizona, where we have been receiving busloads of immigrants, in all likelihood here illegally, from Texas, where they are essentially released with the papers commanding them to appear for their deportation or related hearings when appropriate. Our dim-witted governor of course wasted no time to whine to President Obama for relief; happily, however, the transported aliens have been treated well by volunteers who have taken them in and provided them with at least the bare essentials.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25...en-their-homes

These people do not represent a new surge of an invading Mexican horde–they are Central American citizens from countries other than Mexico who have been around and were rounded up as part of an overall increase in immigration enforcement–IOW, the government is doing the very thing the right wingers claim they ignore. This of course is not apparent from the Breitbart blurb, as that “source” is hardly renown for its objectivity and thoroughness.

Anyway, the problem arises because the Mexican government is not obliged to accept foreigners; i.e., non-Mexicans, into their country, and in fact has declined to accept these folks, who again come from other countries. At least that is what has been reported here--they cannot simply be pushed back into Mexico. This is a matter of international law and sovereignty, not a fault of the US Border Patrol. At most it is an issue of immigration law and reform. As for that issue, I leave it to anyone capable of reading to determine who it is that has obstructed and foot-dragged on getting something meaningful done. I would point out that here in Arizona, there is a bi-partisan push to move forward:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...m-way/2140538/


I also see that the LA Time reports “President Obama will not make changes to the nation's deportation system for at least two months in order to give House Republican leaders more time to search for votes for an overhaul of immigration laws, administration officials said Wednesday....An immigration bill, a top domestic priority for the president, has been stuck in the Republican-led House since last year. The Senate passed a bipartisan bill last summer that Obama said met his requirements for reform.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...528-story.html

[jhs5120]

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[nolemmings]

No immigration reform for awhile.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...rm-107697.html

Of course and without question, it's all Obama's fault.

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

It's interesting to consider that Tea Party voters prevented immigration reform in America..

Interesting why? Most Tea Party members don't want amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants.

[nolemmings]

Interesting maybe, surprising, not at all. Cantor was one of the more conservative House members, and Obama pretty much hates him. Yet he was one of the few with marshalling skills to help get something through on immigration, even if it was a long shot. So what happens?-- Republicans continue to eat their own, and redefine RINO once again, as Cantor not only loses, but to someone whose main message was that Cantor was too weak on immigration. You see, Jason, immigration reform means build the damn fence and step up the pace on shipping people out. Seriously, look at the tea party position on the subject. Anything less is anti-american, unconstitutional, illegal and violates every principle of the rugged individuals who made this country great (insert pic of Marlboro man here).