assault weapon ban again

[jhs5120]

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[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Grant them to whomever wishes to come to America and work at a minimum wage job with no hopes of ever becoming a citizen. Open it up in one month windows maybe 3 or 4 times a year and bus them to states that could use some minimum wage union-free labor.

If they don't get a job within an allotted time, send 'em packing! If they flee then so what? It's nothing we aren't used to.

Sounds like a good idea, but some of David's concerns are legit. If they don't "pay their way", and we send them packing, where do we send them back to? We already have issues w/illegal immigrants and not knowing where to send them. What if they commit crimes? Do we use taxpayers money to put them in jail when (arguably) they shouldn't even be here in the first place? Do we run background checks on every single one, which we also have to use taxpayer money to pay for? I'm all for allowing them in as long as they are a productive part of society, but I think there are many questions unanswered or tough to answer. I certainly don't have an answer so I like the communication between you, David, and others. Better to discuss options than to point fingers and get nothing done.

Rob

[vintagetoppsguy]

I don't believe Jason sees the full picture because he is not exposed to the problem as much as we are in the south along the border states. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are illegal immigrants in New Jersey, but I can guarantee you the illegal immigrants to citizens ratio is a lot lower there than it is here in Texas. Jason, do you know if you go to an emergency room here in Houston, you'll wait a minimum of two hours unless it's a life threatening emergency? Why? Because the ERs are full of illegal immigrants. They know that the ERs can't legally turn them away and they have to treat them. Since they don't have health insurance, and most can't afford a doctor, they go to the ER when they're kid has the sniffles. Do you think they ever pay that ER bill? No and that's one of the (many) reasons why our health care costs so much. I could go on and on about other problems as well, but I'll leave it at that.

If I had my way, we would round them all up and send them back home to start with. I know that will never happen due to logistics and cost. At that point we could issue temporary work visas to allow some to come over. Nobody (well, nobody reasonable) is arguing that we don't need their cheap, unskilled labor. Heck, I don't want to pay $3 for an apple or an orange. Once their work visas expire, they go home and let other workers come over. Keep repeating the process. That would make it fair to all of them to get a fair chance. Anyway, that would be my idea but, realistically, I know it will never happen.

[nolemmings]

Rob, there has been a proposed bill that passed the US Senate last year, and that the President would sign. It was sponsored by a bi-partisan group that includes several Republicans who are widely recognized for being very conservative, including Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Jeff Flake and Marco Rubio. A summary of the bill can be found here:

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/spe...migration-bill

Now here is something in the bill that should assuage those who claim our borders are not secure:

"For example, although undocumented immigrants will be allowed to register for the new Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) program almost immediately, before those in RPI status can apply to become lawful permanent residents the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must certify that the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy is deployed and operational, 700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements" (emphasis added)

So there has been careful consideration of all aspects of the problem, yet this Senate version has languished and will never pass because of these nutjobs in the House who claim it is not tough enough on border security. I was not kidding in an earlier post when I said these tools insist on an entire border fence and the deportation of literally 10 million people who have been here a decade or more. They think they're getting the great wall of China-- considered a wonder of the world in large part because of the immense cost in both financial and human resources; instead they will get the Berlin Wall, an emblem of shame, and will pay more than $100 Billion to build and maintain it. They ignore that their own side- Gingrich, Pres. Bush and others, acknowledge that there is no way we will ever deport the millions who have been here for decades. And then they spin it through faux news that it is the President who is uncompromising, when there has never been a more uncompromising political group in US history than the teabaggers--look at the number of fillibusters and delayed presidential appointments during Obama's term in office vis-a-vis any other President--it isn't even close.

So you can continue to hope for an exchange of dialogue as somehow refreshing as opposed to people who sit and do nothing--- but please have the good sense to see who it is that is doing nothing.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

"For example, although undocumented immigrants will be allowed to register for the new Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) program almost immediately, before those in RPI status can apply to become lawful permanent residents the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must certify that the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy is deployed and operational, 700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements"

Ok, so has the DHS certifed all that? If so, where can I find it?

[vintagetoppsguy]

The truth is that the immigration bill that Todd posted is contingent upon several conditions being met AFTER THE BILL IS SIGNED - one of them is to secure the borders. If they can't secure the borders now, what makes you think they can secure them after the bill is signed, Todd?

Republicans want the borders secured FIRST and then compromise on a bill. Is that asking too much? Put down your Huffington Post and get a clue.

We have an influx of illegal children coming over here in record numbers. Fortunately, Texas is shipping a lot of them to that crap hole state Todd lives in. You're so in favor of illegal immigrants being over here Todd, well we're shipping them your way. Enjoy them and the diseases they're bringing over!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...on-their-own/#

http://www.abc15.com/news/national/i...-across-border

[vintagetoppsguy]

Todd? Hello???

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to let facts get into the way of your propaganda...

Here is the VP of the National Border Patrol Council (and current border patrol agent) speaking about the current influx of illegal immigrants.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/362021095...=3620210951001

But, Todd, didn't you infer in post #244 of this thread that illegal border crossings were no longer a problem? I'm confused. Is it a problem or not?