assault weapon ban again

[nolemmings]

Rob, there has been a proposed bill that passed the US Senate last year, and that the President would sign. It was sponsored by a bi-partisan group that includes several Republicans who are widely recognized for being very conservative, including Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Jeff Flake and Marco Rubio. A summary of the bill can be found here:

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/spe...migration-bill

Now here is something in the bill that should assuage those who claim our borders are not secure:

"For example, although undocumented immigrants will be allowed to register for the new Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) program almost immediately, before those in RPI status can apply to become lawful permanent residents the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must certify that the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy is deployed and operational, 700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements" (emphasis added)

So there has been careful consideration of all aspects of the problem, yet this Senate version has languished and will never pass because of these nutjobs in the House who claim it is not tough enough on border security. I was not kidding in an earlier post when I said these tools insist on an entire border fence and the deportation of literally 10 million people who have been here a decade or more. They think they're getting the great wall of China-- considered a wonder of the world in large part because of the immense cost in both financial and human resources; instead they will get the Berlin Wall, an emblem of shame, and will pay more than $100 Billion to build and maintain it. They ignore that their own side- Gingrich, Pres. Bush and others, acknowledge that there is no way we will ever deport the millions who have been here for decades. And then they spin it through faux news that it is the President who is uncompromising, when there has never been a more uncompromising political group in US history than the teabaggers--look at the number of fillibusters and delayed presidential appointments during Obama's term in office vis-a-vis any other President--it isn't even close.

So you can continue to hope for an exchange of dialogue as somehow refreshing as opposed to people who sit and do nothing--- but please have the good sense to see who it is that is doing nothing.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

"For example, although undocumented immigrants will be allowed to register for the new Registered Provisional Immigrant (RPI) program almost immediately, before those in RPI status can apply to become lawful permanent residents the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must certify that the Comprehensive Southern Border Security Strategy is deployed and operational, 700 miles of fencing is complete, 38,405 border patrol agents are deployed, and the E-Verify employment verification system is in place, among other requirements"

Ok, so has the DHS certifed all that? If so, where can I find it?

[vintagetoppsguy]

The truth is that the immigration bill that Todd posted is contingent upon several conditions being met AFTER THE BILL IS SIGNED - one of them is to secure the borders. If they can't secure the borders now, what makes you think they can secure them after the bill is signed, Todd?

Republicans want the borders secured FIRST and then compromise on a bill. Is that asking too much? Put down your Huffington Post and get a clue.

We have an influx of illegal children coming over here in record numbers. Fortunately, Texas is shipping a lot of them to that crap hole state Todd lives in. You're so in favor of illegal immigrants being over here Todd, well we're shipping them your way. Enjoy them and the diseases they're bringing over!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...on-their-own/#

http://www.abc15.com/news/national/i...-across-border

[vintagetoppsguy]

Todd? Hello???

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to let facts get into the way of your propaganda...

Here is the VP of the National Border Patrol Council (and current border patrol agent) speaking about the current influx of illegal immigrants.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/362021095...=3620210951001

But, Todd, didn't you infer in post #244 of this thread that illegal border crossings were no longer a problem? I'm confused. Is it a problem or not?

[jhs5120]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Jason, I agree with most of what you're saying. Here's the problem. Most people I know and talk to don't want any part of an immigration bill until AFTER the border is secured, not BEFORE. It makes no sense to pass an immigration bill for the illegals that are already here, but then leave the borders unsecure for more to come over.

If you wanted to buy a dog, would you buy the dog and then repair all the holes in your fence, or would you repair all the holes in your fence and then buy the dog? This is common sense.

[nolemmings]

Mr. James, I do not exchange dialogue with you because you are a prick. I will make a brief exception here to point out that my sources, had you chosen to read them, were often from Fox News and were of Republicans, not the “liberal media”. I have “a clue”, and my views as expressed herein are embraced by more Americans than not, although that too is irrelevant to their validity.

You will recall that you went on ad nauseum with attacks against my honesty as a collector, my professional and personal integrity, and you clamored how collectors would put me on their blocked list. For those who have forgotten, the thread I called Carterscards2006–it’s a long read:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=133471

You seemed to take delight in having notified an ebay dealer with whom I had a dispute so that he would take to the forum and show me what’s what. Of course, it turns out he was a convicted felon who had only rather recently been released from prison for embezzlement of over a million dollars. In addition, when he came on the board and laid out his defense– an outlandish fabrication that was pounced on by the rest of the forum and decried as rubbish–your decision to intermeddle made you look even more foolish. Oh and by the way, I did in fact receive my full refund, so you were wrong on that too.

Now more recently you once again decided to be the vanguard for the hobby, intermeddling when a board member pointed out how a Cy Symour Lenox went for cheap. You of course had to get involved and contact the seller, who ultimately refused to ship the card and claimed to have made a pricing error–although his pricing history of other cards suggested he simply did not know what he had. Many here would consider that to be poor form at best.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ighlight=lenox

Now today you insult the entire State of Arizona, calling it a crap hole state.

This is a watercooler forum in which I like anyone can express my views and I like anyone can choose with whom I wish to have dialogue. I have no problem if others choose to agree with you, whatever their reasoning. I may even chime in on topics where you have posted, but I will not engage you directly, because again, you are a prick. I have had nothing but good business dealings with the folks on this forum, and am pleased to have made a great number of friends here. I am equally pleased to know that you are not one of them.

[jhs5120]

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