Let's Talk E90-1

[Mikehealer]

Nice Speaker Mr. Kaufman.

[ullmandds]

I like this set a lot...as Leon said...definitely the caramel equivalent of T206...it's got almost all of the stars...beautiful images...and some toughies. I've found the red background keeler portrait to be very tough.

[tbob]

Where were all you guys when I sold my E90-1 set in REA (all SGC graded) and got burned?

I have bought a couple of the ones I really liked in this set lately and the card shown below tonight. It's authentic but nice.
With regard to the Speaker, when I put my set together the two toughest cards were Speaker and Shean. Far and away. If you have the money you can buy any card in the set except for Speaker and Shean (and McLean) which are by far the toughest and rarely appear....

[T206Collector]

The only signed E90-1 card I've ever heard of is this Cobb from the Morey collection (no it's not mine -- I wish). Anybody ever seen another?

[tedzan]

Boston team collectors of this set certainly have a tough time finding their guys. A number of the scarce cards
that were printed in the last (1910) series represent the two Boston teams:

Boston AL......

Hall (horiz.)
Karger
Speaker
Stahl

Boston NL......

B. Brown (horiz.)
Graham
Richie
Shean
Bill Sweeney


A wild theory of mine suggests that Ramly (Worcester, MA) had the rights to these players in 1909; therefore,
the American Caramel Co. could not portray these Boston players in their early series.


TED Z

[tbob]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Boston team collectors of this set certainly have a tough time finding their guys. A number of the scarce cards
that were printed in the last (1910) series represent the two Boston teams:

Boston AL......

Hall (horiz.)
Karger
Speaker
Stahl

Boston NL......

B. Brown (horiz.)
Graham
Richie
Shean
Bill Sweeney


A wild theory of mine suggests that Ramly (Worcester, MA) had the rights to these players in 1909; therefore,
the American Caramel Co. could not portray these Boston players in their early series.


TED Z

Ted you may be on to something there.
The two horizontal cards seem to be tough because collectors really like horizontal cards but all the others are just plain tough, especially Dave Shean and Tris Speaker. Why the McLean seems to be on everyone's want list is another story. That was my 3rd toughest card behind the above two. Others say it is THE toughest. I know a couple of E90-1 collectors who have settled for putting the E92 Dockman McLean (same pose etc.) in their sets until they can find the E90-1 one.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Nice cards everyone!

Here are my two. Not quite one par with some of those already posted, but I love them just the same.


Thanks,

AndyH


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tbob

Ted you may be on to something there.
The two horizontal cards seem to be tough because collectors really like horizontal cards but all the others are just plain tough, especially Dave Shean and Tris Speaker. Why the McLean seems to be on everyone's want list is another story. That was my 3rd toughest card behind the above two. Others say it is THE toughest. I know a couple of E90-1 collectors who have settled for putting the E92 Dockman McLean (same pose etc.) in their sets until they can find the E90-1 one.

Thanks for bringing up McLean....he was printed in the last series (1910) and his E90 card is indeed very tough. Expanding on my Ramly / American Caramel theory,
further comparison of the Ramly set roster indicates that they may have controlled the rights to several Cincinatti players......

Karger
Larry McLean
Mike Mitchell

And, as you well know these 3 guys are all very tough E90 cards; and, were printed in the last series (short-printed that is).


TED Z

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Boston team collectors of this set certainly have a tough time finding their guys. A number of the scarce cards
that were printed in the last (1910) series represent the two Boston teams:

Boston AL......

Hall (horiz.)
Karger
Speaker
Stahl

Boston NL......

B. Brown (horiz.)
Graham
Richie
Shean
Bill Sweeney


A wild theory of mine suggests that Ramly (Worcester, MA) had the rights to these players in 1909; therefore,
the American Caramel Co. could not portray these Boston players in their early series.


TED Z

Hi Ted,

While I know there is a big difference between having rights and exercising rights, I have to note that there is no Speaker and no Hall in T204. Nor was there a B. Brown card or a Shean card in T204. Not so sure about the theory...

Cheers,
Blair

[tedzan]

Blair

The following compares these two sets with respect to these three teams......

Ramly (1909) ...... American Caramel (AC)....1910 tough series cards

BOSTON AL
-----------
..................................Karger(traded)
..................................Speaker
Stahl...........................Stahl

BOSTON NL
-----------
Graham........................Graham
Ritchey........................Richie
..................................Shean
Sweeney......................Sweeney

CINCI.
-------
Karger
Lobert..........................Lobert
McLean........................McLean
M. Mitchell....................M. Mitchell


Tris Speaker played his first full season in 1909. The Ramly set was issued early in 1909; therefore, Tris was not included
in the Ramly set. Tris appears in the 1910 series of the AC and T206 sets.

Dave Shean played with the Phillies 1908-09....and for unexplainable reasons the Ramly set portays only one Phillies player
(Bransfield).

B.Brown and Hall are Horizontal cards that were issued in the 1910 series of the AC set. All five of the Horizontal cards in
the AC set were issued in the tough 1910 series.

My theory is based on studying these two sets. And, I cannot accept what I have presented here is simply the result of
mere coincidences.

Look, it's just a theory....but, I respect your skepticism.


TED Z