Let's Talk E90-1

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

I know they were printed over a 3 year period...does anyone have a breakdown of which cards were likely printed in a given year?

According to Lew Lipset's encyclopedia:
extremely rare; Mitchell (cin), graham, sweeney (bos)
rare; Clarke (pitts), Duffy, Karger, Keeler (horiz), Stahl, Speaker, Walsh
Those were all printed in 1911 (his estimate)

very difficult; Bemis, Bescher, Gibson (rear view), Joss (horiz), Lobert, McLean, Seigle, Shean, Wagner (fld), Young (cleve).
difficult: Bransfield (pink), Brown (chi), Demmitt, Dougherty, Fromme, Howell (windup), Keeler (red), Overall, Schlitzer, Wagner (btg), Wiltse
Those were all printed in 1910 (his estimate) except Fromme and Keeler (red).

These are also on his list of 1910's, but not listed as difficult:
Clement, Hartzell, Irwin, Knight, Leach, Mitchell (NY), Oakes, O'Leary, Phelps, Richie, Stone, Upp, Willis


Personally I love alot of the action poses, but only if the lips aren't too red. Willis has one red lip, but the colors of the sky in the backgraound overshadow that imo!


Here are my two:

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tonyo

According to Lew Lipset's encyclopedia:
extremely rare; Mitchell (cin), graham, sweeney (bos)
rare; Clarke (pitts), Duffy, Karger, Keeler (horiz), Stahl, Speaker, Walsh
Those were all printed in 1911 (his estimate)

very difficult; Bemis, Bescher, Gibson (rear view), Joss (horiz), Lobert, McLean, Seigle, Shean, Wagner (fld), Young (cleve).
difficult: Bransfield (pink), Brown (chi), Demmitt, Dougherty, Fromme, Howell (windup), Keeler (red), Overall, Schlitzer, Wagner (btg), Wiltse
Those were all printed in 1910 (his estimate) except Fromme and Keeler (red).

These are also on his list of 1910's, but not listed as difficult:
Clement, Hartzell, Irwin, Knight, Leach, Mitchell (NY), Oakes, O'Leary, Phelps, Richie, Stone, Upp, Willis

Since Lew published his encyclopedia, many of us E90-1 collectors/dealers have updated Lew's level of scarcity list as so:

The last series (very tough) was most likely issued in the Summer of 1910 (this is based on certain player trades).
And, it comprises of......

Harry Bemis
Bob Bescher
Buster Brown.....horizontal
Fred Clarke (Pitts)
Hugh Duffy
Peaches Graham
Charlie Hall.....horizontal
Addie Joss.....horizontal
Willie Keeler (NY Nat'l).....horizontal
Ed Karger
Hans Lobert
Larry McLean
Mike Mitchell (Cinci)
Johnny Seigle.....horizontal
Dave Shean
Tris Speaker
Jake Stahl
Bill Sweeney
Jerry Upp
Ed Walsh
Vic Willis
Cy Young (Cleve)




Furthermore, I'm not certain if this pose of Wagner is considered very tough; and, was possibly included in the 1910 series. It appears to have been drawn
by the same artist that did the Speaker card. Some say it should be included in this very tough 1910 series.

What is your opinion of the scarcity of this Wagner card ?


NOTE.....This list is subject to modification, I welcome your inputs.


TED Z

[HRBAKER]

A few A's:

[joeadcock]

Here is a couple of my not in such good condition E90-1's.

[joeadcock]

A few others

[wrapperguy]

Agree completely that the Gibson back view is very difficult. It is the last card I need to finish the set and I have only seen one in a year and missed bidding on it. The joy is in the hunt....

[Bosox Blair]

Oh yeah, here's another Boston AL card that is a bit tougher than "common":

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Ted,

What do you make of the fact that E92 Dockman features Shean as a Boston NL player (if anything)? I have seen Dockman dated as a 1909 set...so if Ramly had Boston (including Shean) locked up with contracts, Dockman didn't care? Or maybe Dockman is a 1910 set too?

Interesting since the E92 poses overlap with E90-1 as well...

Cheers,
Blair

Blair

I am not sure I understand.....David Shean is not pictured in the Ramly set. Please clarify ?

Shean was traded from the Phillies to the Boston Doves on July 16, 1909.

And is it possible that the Dockman set was produced in 1910 (instead of 1909) ? Perhaps, Yes.

We have discovered that some of the E-sets have been mis-dated. For example, the E90-1 set
is catalogued as 1909-1911. My research indicates that it should be dated as a 1908-1910 set.


TED Z

[tedzan]

As the "myth" claims....Wagner was an anti-cigarette guy. So, with his appearance on most of the E-cards,
can we assume that he was quite fond of caramel candy


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TED Z

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Blair

I am not sure I understand.....David Shean is not pictured in the Ramly set. Please clarify ?

Shean was traded from the Phillies to the Boston Doves on July 16, 1909.

And is it possible that the Dockman set was produced in 1910 (instead of 1909) ? Perhaps, Yes.

We have discovered that some of the E-sets have been mis-dated. For example, the E90-1 set
is catalogued as 1909-1911. My research indicates that it should be dated as a 1908-1910 set.


TED Z

Hi Ted,

I was just referring back to your earlier post in this thread (#19) where you listed Shean as one of the tougher late-issued E90-1 cards and you stated in that post your theory that Ramly had the rights to these players for 1909. I understood you to be including Shean and also quite a few others in your list who did not actually have Ramly cards, like Tris Speaker, etc.

Maybe I'm not clear on what your theory is?

I take your point on the dating of sets...some could be either 1909 or 1910 depending on what time of year they were issued.

Cheers,
Blair

[TheBig6]

Rob, Good luck with the set should you decide.
It's a great set and prices are alot more reasonable than they were a few years ago. Rarties excluded.
Heres my few examples

[ScottFandango]

there is so much to talk about/debate in this set...

good stuff...

one of the rarest cards has not been mentioned:

stone LH ...less than 20 graded copies!!! wow