Black Swamp Find?

[Tim Kindler]

I live in Northeast Indiana, and Northwest Ohio (about 30 minutes away) is known as the Great Black Swamp area from the time of the pioneers of our country when Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan were first settled. I haven't heard of a great find around here, but it would be pretty cool if there was one! Except for the fact that I didn't find it!

[4815162342]

See the link below for the item that mentions the "Black Swamp Find".

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotIdNo=68001

[Scott L.]

Only a PSA 10 E98 Wagner. No big thing

[tbob]

Originally Posted by Scott L.

Only a PSA 10 E98 Wagner. No big thing

OMG! Wow, what a find. I wonder how many other cards are in this "Find???"

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Scott L.

Only a PSA 10 E98 Wagner. No big thing

That's only part of the story.

An entire pristine E98 set was discovered. I think there was a PSA 9 Cobb in that set if I'm not mistaken.

This find has set the bar high, unreasonably high for those trying to build a high quality set. There were/are three cards from this find for sale on eBay. Two PSA 8s and a PSA 9(O/C).

[pencil1974]

I picked up this one up of the Black Swamp find! Very nice hate the way PSA put it in the holder though.

[Theo_450]

This is the card collector's dream. Great thread, thanks to the family members who joined in, and to Leon for hosting us all!

WOW!

Two questions for the board.

1. At some point in time, will all the finds be found? Will there ever be a time when every pre-war card is accounted for?

2. Will this spark interest (and an increase in value) in the other E-card series?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Theo_450

This is the card collector's dream. Great thread, thanks to the family members who joined in, and to Leon for hosting us all!

WOW!

Two questions for the board.

1. At some point in time, will all the finds be found? Will there ever be a time when every pre-war card is accounted for?

2. Will this spark interest (and an increase in value) in the other E-card series?

no, they will never all be found, because they are still pulling superman comics #1 from in between the walls, and isn't that the way a ty cobb tin was found too?

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

I picked up this one up of the Black Swamp find! Very nice hate the way PSA put it in the holder though.

Nice!!! I had my eye on that one also but decided to leave it. Dropped a load on one of my non-baseball collecting interests instead. I think there are two remaining on eBay from the BSF.

So I guess you have me to thank.

I see your flipping it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-9-MINT-O...item3f265c1041

I'd buy it if I hadn't already bought that C55 Vezina from last week.

[pencil1974]

Yeah I keep debating on selling it or keeping it. My problem is I always find "another" card I want too so my wife makes me sell some so I can get more. Oh the pains of marriage. lol. It is a beauty of a card though. And thank you for letting me get it

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Tim Kindler

I live in Northeast Indiana, and Northwest Ohio (about 30 minutes away) is known as the Great Black Swamp area from the time of the pioneers of our country when Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan were first settled. I haven't heard of a great find around here, but it would be pretty cool if there was one! Except for the fact that I didn't find it!

The only reason that Wagner survived in "10" condition was that it was in a plastic holder when retrieved from the Black Swamp. Nice holder, but smells like swamp gas.

[darwinbulldog]

So if the staining on the back looks like a wet sheet transfer it isn't considered a stain? And what's the bit that looks like paper loss next to his knee?

[ullmandds]

Huh...nice card but psa 10? Looks like another psa inside job/blunder!?!?

It seems that psa's guidelines have changed...just discover the nicest known specimen of a card and it gets a gem mint 10. What nonsense.

[Matthew H]

I remember this find, I think. Wasn't there a bunch of other super high grade e98s? I believe this card already sold before, for a bit over 100k. I can't remember which auction it was.

[CW]

While this card is so high end it's almost breathtaking, I'd have to agree that the surface issues (front & back) should prevent it from being a "10".

[botn]

Yeah assuming it is not altered, nice card but not a 10 for the reasons pointed out...maybe not even an 8, technically. But it says 10 so it shall bring 10 money.

Just blew up the scan and it appears 3 corners have wear. One of the spots maybe the holder but there are two other spots missing red ink. Not a 10. Nice card but not a 10.

[E93]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I remember this find, I think. Wasn't there a bunch of other super high grade e98s? I believe this card already sold before, for a bit over 100k. I can't remember which auction it was.

You are thinking of an E93 find where a PSA 9 Wagner sold for over 230k.
JimB

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by E93

You are thinking of an E93 find where a PSA 9 Wagner sold for over 230k.
JimB

Thanks Jim, my memory was wayy off

It's funny how many times a month PSA is getting bashed for being the idiots they are, yet we still have big supporters here that are PSA all the way. I guess their collection is valued in plastic and not in cards Whats the difference between them and GAI. Mike was just not big enough to survive the ordeal is all.

I think the Wagner should be bought and then graded by SGC and then have those dipsh!ts at PSA pay the hefty sum of the difference for their ignorance and stupidity. I think if thats a spot of paper loss on the front its a 1-3 at best. Far cry shy of a 10 in any matter though

[glchen]

Originally Posted by E93

You are thinking of an E93 find where a PSA 9 Wagner sold for over 230k.
JimB

This E93 Wagner in SGC 88/8 went for a "mere" 16.5K in the recently concluded Goodwin auction: Link

Funny thing is that if you look at the PSA pop report for the E98 Wagner from Heritage, the cert #19871751 is still not viewable. Also, the PSA pop report currently doesn't show any 10's for the E98's. Of course, it's very possible that PSA has not yet updated it's pop database yet.

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

So if the staining on the back looks like a wet sheet transfer it isn't considered a stain? And what's the bit that looks like paper loss next to his knee?

It's difficult to tell from the scan, but I believe the appearance of paper loss next to his knee is a flaw in the holder, not the card.

As to the original question, I have no idea what the Black Swamp find is.