450 HR and counting and really not so good

[Peter_Spaeth]

452 HR, only 53rd all time right fielder by JAWS LOL -- Nelson Cruz.

[clydepepper]

and then there were these:

Adam Dunn 462HR 17.9WAR

Dave Kingman 442HR 17.3WAR

Carlos Degado 473HR 44.4WAR

[clydepepper]

.983 fielding average may have something to do with it

[mrreality68]

Had a good career not great and not HOF material.

Many great moments but a modern day Adam Dunn

And only 4 seasons I believe over 100 rbi. And 0 season with over 100 runs

[cgjackson222]

Defense matters: a list of some sluggers with low dWAR (as per baseball reference) and its effect on total WAR.

dWAR /oWAR / Total WAR

Note the similarity between Nelson Cruz and Jose Canseco.

Adam Dunn: -28.4 / 35.3 / 17.9 (462 HRs)
Gary Sheffield: -27.7 / 80.7 / 60.5 (509 HRs)
Dave Winfield: -22.7 / 74.1 / 64.2 (465 HRs)
Frank Thomas: -22.5 / 80.4 / 73.8 (521 HRs)
Manny Ramirez: -21.7 / 81.8 / 69.3 (555 HRs)
Willie McCovey: -21.6 / 72 / 64.5 (521 HRs)
David Ortiz: -20.9 / 56.7 / 55.3 (541 HRs)
Miguel Cabrera: -20.7 / 77.3 / 67.0 (507 HRs)
Prince Fielder: -20.5 / 34.1 / 23.8 (319 HRs)
Jason Giambi: -19.7 / 58.4 / 50.5 (440 HRs)
Willie Stargell: -19.5 / 64.2 / 47.6 (475 HRs)
Harmon Killebrew: -18.7 / 71.5 / 60.4 (573 HRs)
Billy Williams: -18.0 / 66.5 / 63.6 (426 HRs)
Paul Konerko: -17.7 / 33.1 / 28.1 (439 HRs)
Fred McGriff: -17.3 / 56.2 / 52.6 (493 HRs)
Carlos Delgado: -17.2 / 50.8 / 44.4 (473 HRs)
Dave Kingman: -16.7 / 23.2 / 17.3 (442 HRs)
Reggie Jackson: -16.4 / 77.2 / 73.9 (563 HRs)
Jim Thome: -16.4 / 77.7 / 73.1 (612 HRs)
Dante Bichette: -16.2 / 15.1 / 5.6 WAR (274 HRs)
Joe Carter: -15.7 / 28.2 / 19.5 (396 HRs)
Edwin Encarnacion: -15.1 / 42.3 / 35.5 (424 HRs)
Nelson Cruz: -14.5 / 44.0 / 42.5 (462 HRs)
Jose Canseco: -13.8 / 45.9 / 42.4 (462 HRs)
Ted Williams: -13.3 / 125.1 / 121.8 (521 HRs)
Mark McGwire: -12.2 / 65.4 / 62.2 (583 HRs)
Cecil Fielder: -12.2 / 20.3 / 17.2 (319 HRs)
Ralph Kiner: -10.7 / 52.9 / 48 (369 HRs)

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Defense matters: a list of some sluggers with low dWAR (as per baseball reference) and its effect on total WAR.

dWAR /oWAR / Total WAR

Note the similarity between Nelson Cruz and Jose Canseco.

Adam Dunn: -28.4 / 35.3 / 17.9 (462 HRs)
Gary Sheffield: -27.7 / 80.7 / 60.5 (509 HRs)
Dave Winfield: -22.7 / 74.1 / 64.2 (465 HRs)
Frank Thomas: -22.5 / 80.4 / 73.8 (521 HRs)
Manny Ramirez: -21.7 / 81.8 / 69.3 (555 HRs)
Willie McCovey: -21.6 / 72 / 64.5 (521 HRs)
David Ortiz: -20.9 / 56.7 / 55.3 (541 HRs)
Miguel Cabrera: -20.7 / 77.3 / 67.0 (507 HRs)
Prince Fielder: -20.5 / 34.1 / 23.8 (319 HRs)
Jason Giambi: -19.7 / 58.4 / 50.5 (440 HRs)
Willie Stargell: -19.5 / 64.2 / 47.6 (475 HRs)
Harmon Killebrew: -18.7 / 71.5 / 60.4 (573 HRs)
Billy Williams: -18.0 / 66.5 / 63.6 (426 HRs)
Paul Konerko: -17.7 / 33.1 / 28.1 (439 HRs)
Fred McGriff: -17.3 / 56.2 / 52.6 (493 HRs)
Carlos Delgado: -17.2 / 50.8 / 44.4 (473 HRs)
Dave Kingman: -16.7 / 23.2 / 17.3 (442 HRs)
Reggie Jackson: -16.4 / 77.2 / 73.9 (563 HRs)
Jim Thome: -16.4 / 77.7 / 73.1 (612 HRs)
Dante Bichette: -16.2 / 15.1 / 5.6 WAR (274 HRs)
Joe Carter: -15.7 / 28.2 / 19.5 (396 HRs)
Edwin Encarnacion: -15.1 / 42.3 / 35.5 (424 HRs)
Nelson Cruz: -14.5 / 44.0 / 42.5 (462 HRs)
Jose Canseco: -13.8 / 45.9 / 42.4 (462 HRs)
Ted Williams: -13.3 / 125.1 / 121.8 (521 HRs)
Mark McGwire: -12.2 / 65.4 / 62.2 (583 HRs)
Cecil Fielder: -12.2 / 20.3 / 17.2 (319 HRs)
Ralph Kiner: -10.7 / 52.9 / 48 (369 HRs)

Great info and lost. Amazed at some on that list

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Great info and lost. Amazed at some on that list

I was really surprised by Dave Winfield's dWAR. Guy won 7 Gold Gloves and has a worse dWAR than Manny Ramirez or Harmon Killebrew?