450 HR and counting and really not so good

[Seven]

I'm not sure how accurate dWAR is, but what I do know was that Jeter at his best, was a slightly above average shortstop. His range did him no favors. His oWAR is above a 90 while his dWAR is well into the negatives. Gold Glove, seemed to become the celebrity award. I believe Palmero won a GG at first base, despite spending most of one season, at DH.

Also looking at the list a few posts above, really makes you wonder about certain players. Imagine if Ted Williams was a plus fielder? Would've probably gone down as the greatest player ever.

[D. Bergin]

Jeter passed the eye test, and made some spectacular and high IQ plays in high leverage situations, that you don't really see other shortstops make.

His jump throw to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible while running towards the 3rd base line was a thing of beauty when it worked, but largely unnecessary. Other, more technically sound shortstops would simply take an extra fraction of a second to plant their right foot and then whip a bullet across the diamond instead.

[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApoJk9X7Vto

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Seven

Also looking at the list a few posts above, really makes you wonder about certain players. Imagine if Ted Williams was a plus fielder? Would've probably gone down as the greatest player ever.

Ted Williams is tied for 7th all time in offensive WAR: https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...f_career.shtml

He is well behind Mays in oWAR, and of course way behind him in total WAR. I am surprised Ted is only tied with Tris Speaker in oWAR. Of course Tris Speaker didn't miss a bunch of years because of actual Wars.

But no one holds a candle to Babe Ruth in total WAR. Apparently Babe Ruth wasn't a bad fielder, as his dWAR is only slightly negative (-2.3).

[Peter_Spaeth]

dWAR
Good god, y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again

[G1911]

I do not understand the WAR obsession (I have yet to find anyone on a forum who actually knows its full equation and what exactly it is they are agreeing is all or mostly weighted correctly), but dWAR is borderline junk before 2003 and is based on estimates of a players career rates of outs to a position to credit hit allocation.

[Peter_Spaeth]

At least for the more vintage players, we really must go by what John Updike called "the witness of the eyes."

[mrreality68]

To much stats and different type of stats.

I agree with using it but can never forget the good all eye test as mentioned earlier.

[packs]

I thought Delgado was a pretty fierce player in his prime. Not as good as Vlad overall but I don’t think Delgado was cheating and was probably overshadowed by the steroid era. He drove in 130 or more RBIs three times. Not a lot other guys doing that without some help.