Just popped this T206 out of its plastic, guess what grade it was given ?

[markf31]

Originally Posted by danmckee

In the "new days" there are color fake fro joys slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there is a trimmed T206 Wagner slabbed by PSA

In the "new days" there are PSA graded T206's in SCP auctions that have impossible front back combinations

In the "new days" a $50.00 Ozzie Smith PSA 10 sells for $20,000.00

Moral to the story - TPG ruined the hobby and is a cancer

I do agree with the Ozzie Smith point, it is well taken I believe.

As to your other points, color fake fro joys, trimmed T206 Wagners and T206 impossible front back combinations existed well before the grading companies, they existed for sale on the internet, in autions and at card shows before grading companies. That goes for any and all fradulantly produced or altered cards. The Pete Rose rookie counterfeits that flooded the market came well before grading companies.

The grading companies IMO have done a great job at weeding out many, upon many of these fake, fraudulant and altered cards from the market. Are they perfect, of course not. But they have eliminated tons of these types of cards from the market and for that I think they should be commended.

With any grading/authentication system cards will slip through the system. I think the number of cards that correctly get rejected for being fake, trimmed and altered far out number the cards that slip through the system. And IMO that is a huge benefit to the hobby and collectors.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by markf31

......color fake fro joys, trimmed T206 Wagners and T206 impossible front back combinations existed well before the grading companies......

markf31

Sorry to differ with you regarding your above statement. The T206 impossible front/back combos are a relatively recent phenomena. A bunch of
the "re-fronted" fakes surfaced circa 1999-2000.

These fake cards were modified by professional paper restorer(s) to the extent that they fooled PSA and SGC graders.

Here are some examples of these T206 impossible front/back fakes that have been graded in the past 12 years......

Green Cobb / Red HINDU

Matty portrait / Red HINDU

Cobb (bat off shoulder) / PIEDMONT 150

Joe Doyle N.Y. Nat'l / POLAR BEAR

Green Cobb / CYCLE 350 ...... this one recently sold for $3000 in an auction


This is just a sample, as there are quite a few more, and perhaps others on this forum will identify more of them.

P.S. Quite a number of collectors payed some big $$$$ for some of these cards, having trusted the TPG's. And, as is noted in the last example....
there are still a few of these fakes in circulation.


TED Z

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Here are some examples of these T206 impossible front/back fakes that have been graded in the past 12 years......

TED Z

Similarly, what is scary is that many of these were called out due to their front/back combos being impossible, not due to catching the alteration. How many cards (slabbed or raw) are deemed to be authentic simply because the front/back combo is possible, yet the card has been altered to make a more desirable (expensive) front/back combination?

[T206Collector]

You may fault TPG for grading impossible front/back combinations.

But can you imagine how many more fraudulent cards would be in circulation if it wasn't for TPG?

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

You may fault TPG for grading impossible front/back combinations.

But can you imagine how many more fraudulent cards would be in circulation if it wasn't for TPG?

People became more condition sensitive after TPGs came around imo. I don't think there'd be much of a reason to try to alter a card that already appears mint without the TPGs... So maybe less fakes being bought by hobby newcomers, but, maybe more cards being altered for a slightly better grade.