Poll: Is this Cobb legit, or is it a "rotten peach"?

[vintagetoppsguy]

If Donavon is worried about it getting lost or stolen in the mail and falling into the wrong hands, couldn't he simply cut it in half before he sends it? Right down the middle between the "y" and the "C." That would eliminate any potential fraud/scam and I believe Richard could still examine it in two separate pieces, right?

[David Atkatz]

I'll say it again:

Donavon can't send the cut to Richard, because he doesn't have it, and will never have it. I'm sure that PSA told him he'd be reimbursed only if they (PSA) kept the item.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I'll say it again:

Donavon can't send the cut to Richard, because he doesn't have it, and will never have it. I'm sure that PSA told him he'd be reimbursed only if they (PSA) kept the item.

From Donovan's own words, "PSA/DNA will be sending the cut back to me to do as I wish."

[David Atkatz]

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[travrosty]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If Donavon is worried about it getting lost or stolen in the mail and falling into the wrong hands, couldn't he simply cut it in half before he sends it? Right down the middle between the "y" and the "C." That would eliminate any potential fraud/scam and I believe Richard could still examine it in two separate pieces, right?

exactly,

i have also asked donovan to show the cut with a current copy of the newspaper or SI when he gets it to prove that he got it back.

he wont do it, and he wont let anyone look at it. guaranteed.

prove us wrong, sir.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If Donavon is worried about it getting lost or stolen in the mail and falling into the wrong hands, couldn't he simply cut it in half before he sends it? Right down the middle between the "y" and the "C." That would eliminate any potential fraud/scam and I believe Richard could still examine it in two separate pieces, right?

That would be no problem for me.

[chaddurbin]

psa is a multi-million dollar company. they wouldn't want to admit fault unless absolutely have to. it's not in their best interest to admit they couldn't get a xerox'd cut correct, would be bad for their bottom line. that's their sop. the whole master forger thing is a farce and excuse given on the phone, it's probably not in writing.

i'm surprised OP is saying he's getting the cut back. usually when psa reimburse they'd destroy the evidence and probably make you sign a non-disclosure and be done with it, like other big companies.

edit: take up a collection and fly richard to louisiana. we've gone this far. i feel too committed to this stupid ty cobb cut now.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i'm surprised OP is saying he's getting the cut back. usually when psa reimburse they'd destroy the evidence and probably make you sign a non-disclosure and be done with it, like other big companies.

I guess it depends on what they reimburse him for. It is my understanding that Donovan was the sumbitter of the item. If that is the case, they would only have to reimburse him for the authentication fees. Legally the cut would still be his. I guess they would have the option to buy it back at fair market value, but if they're only reimbursing him the authentication fees then the cut is still his.

If he were to have purchased the cut already authenticated and then sent it back in for re-evalution, then that is a different story. Then they would have to reimburse him full fair market value. At least that's my understanding of how it works.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I guess it depends on what they reimburse him for. It is my understanding that Donovan was the sumbitter of the item. If that is the case, they would only have to reimburse him for the authentication fees. Legally the cut would still be his. I guess they would have the option to buy it back at fair market value, but if they're only reimbursing him the authentication fees then the cut is still his.

If he were to have purchased the cut already authenticated and then sent it back in for re-evalution, then that is a different story. Then they would have to reimburse him full fair market value. At least that's my understanding of how it works.

having read donavon's posts again he was the original submitter and psa is giving him back the submission fees+$100 for shipping and the cut back. different story if he was the buyer of the cut.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I guess it depends on what they reimburse him for. It is my understanding that Donovan was the sumbitter of the item. If that is the case, they would only have to reimburse him for the authentication fees. Legally the cut would still be his. I guess they would have the option to buy it back at fair market value, but if they're only reimbursing him the authentication fees then the cut is still his.

If he were to have purchased the cut already authenticated and then sent it back in for re-evalution, then that is a different story. Then they would have to reimburse him full fair market value. At least that's my understanding of how it works.

If he was the buyer of the cut that was already slabbed, they wouldn't HAVE to do anything. They have no fast and hard rules regarding buybacks. It's up to their discretion based upon how much bad publicity they might want to receive or avoid on any one item.

They have a disclaimer saying their loa's are only their opinion, and no warranty is given, and they make no guarantee. That gets them out of any of these situations and any money given to anyone is voluntary on their part.

I would be surprised if they gave him the cut back and didn't buy it from him. maybe that is why it is being destroyed immediately, so we can't see it first.

I want to see it when it comes back.

[David Atkatz]

It ain't comin' back.

[RichardSimon]

Don - the poll stands at 37-5, basically that means the vast majority of the people who voted do not give any credibility to your version of events. That is the most overwhelming vote I have ever seen in a pole on Net54.
You have stated there is a visible impression on the back of the autograph, made by a pen. If the autograph was printed by machine, which is what most believe, then there should be no impression. So these people are all saying they doubt your story.
A word of advice - if your story is true, and you know it to be true, take a picture of the signature with a current newspaper and post that here and then ship the autograph to me or Travis. I will be happy to reimburse your shipping expenses.
Otherwise there will always be doubts about you and your entire story. The story of the cut appearing in an estate sale with old cards, the story of PSA and the amazing forger who fooled them and everything connected to this will always be doubted. Your future actions in the hobby will always carry this story with them. You have backed yourself into a position where you have to prove your innocence. I know that is contrary to the American way but that is how things have turned out here. And it is quite easy for you to prove your innocence. Extraordinarily easy as a matter of fact. And please, don't repeat the story of being afraid the cut will get lost or that I will do something with it. Nobody here gives those stories any credibiliy at all. Those stories just make you look much worse and tend to make people totally disbelieve whatever you say.
Don the ball is in your court now.
What will you do?