Poll: Is this Cobb legit, or is it a "rotten peach"?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

I believe one fact in the autograph industry. Every single assessment of an unwitnessed autograph is an opinion.

Let me tell you something, the fact that an autograph has an in person, witnessed COA does not necessarily mean anything either.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Let me tell you something, the fact that an autograph has an in person, witnessed COA does not necessarily mean anything either.

Not what I said...but get your point. So to slim down my point.

"Every assessment of an autograph is an opinion"

[RichardSimon]

I was referring to in person COA's issued by a company where the autograph was not really witnessed.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Not what I said...but get your point. So to slim down my point.

"Every assessment of an autograph is an opinion"

but psa's opinion is ludicrous, no one can freehand an exact copy of an autograph like that, can't happen, not possible, show me how to do it.

it could be their opinion that a dog did it, but not all opinions are credible or even possible. The autographs aren't just close, they are exact.

You still haven't told me if you believe psa's opinion. do you?

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by travrosty

You still haven't told me if you believe psa's opinion. do you?

As much as I believe your opinion. I showed the auto to my dog, he wagged his tail. I believe his opinion too.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by smotan_02

As much as I believe your opinion. I showed the auto to my dog, he wagged his tail. I believe his opinion too.

It can be scientifically proven that it is a printed copy, if that interests you. not everything is just an opinion. if the earth is round is just an opinion for you, then there is no point in converting those who don't want to know.

You didn't offer your beliefs in the company's opinion, which tells me you don't really believe it is a freehand forger's copy like psa evidently said but you are one of the defenders who run interference and want it swept under the rug. That's what we fight in this hobby. trying to clean it up is a herculean task when there are those who don't want it to be cleaned up and just want the status quo to continue.

They don't want any doubt that a printed copy can get by them, because then ANY autograph they have certed that matches exemplars and is slabbed might be called into question. There are thousands upon thousands of them out there.

Collectors know that a forgery slips by sometimes, maybe more often than the company lets on, and the company can live with that, but if collectors realize that the printed copies are getting through, then any autograph they have in a slab that they didn't see signed in person is a potential big question mark.

[drc]

My dog sniffed it and gave the verdict: Not food. Can't be more scientific than that.

[vintagetoppsguy]

My dog sniffs his butt, which smells like PSA's opinion in this matter.

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by travrosty

It can be scientifically proven that it is a printed copy, if that interests you. not everything is just an opinion. if the earth is round is just an opinion for you, then there is no point in converting those who don't want to know.

True/Doesnt Interest me/Earth is round

Originally Posted by travrosty

You didn't offer your beliefs in the company's opinion, which tells me you don't really believe it is a freehand forger's copy like psa evidently said but you are one of the defenders who run interference and want it swept under the rug. That's what we fight in this hobby. trying to clean it up is a herculean task when there are those who don't want it to be cleaned up and just want the status quo to continue.

So if Im not with you then Im against you?

Originally Posted by travrosty

They doesn't want any doubt that a printed copy can get by them, because then ANY autograph they have certed that matches exemplars and is slabbed might be called into question. There are thousands upon thousands of them out there.

Next you are going to tell me that numerical grades on PSA cards can be called into question too?!

Originally Posted by travrosty

Collectors know that a forgery slips by sometimes, maybe more often than the company lets on, and the company can live with that, but if collectors realize that the printed copies are getting through, then any autograph they have in a slab that they didn't see signed in person is a potential big question mark.

You said this, not PSA. You want to prove PSA is incompetent. You need to see the auto in person to prove this. Donovan doesnt want give you his personal property. Donovan is now part of PSA in your eyes. You want to prove them incompetent. Ahhh, the circle of life.

[drc]

In my opinion, it's Donovan's right to keep it. Why? Because it's his.