I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by brett

Hey everybody, I haven't been here for a little while but I just saw a PSA 5 of this card listed on ebay for a cool "buy it now" of $1,900. Pretty funny to think about what we discovered/created here a couple years ago. Anyway... I wish you all a happy, healthy New Year and I'll let you know if I come up with anymore amazing discoveries.

Yeah and the seller just bought the exact card (based on the PSA number) off of ebay on the 18th and is now trying to sell it for 3x as much to the same customer base a week after winning it.

[brett]

With the scarcity of Shoeless Joe cards I personally believe it should be a $1,000 card in EX condition.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by brett

With the scarcity of Shoeless Joe cards I personally believe it should be a $1,000 card in EX condition.

I think that's WAY high. The absolute ceiling for this card in my mind is his WG4, WG5 and WG6 cards that depict only him and actually have his name on them - a much more mainstream collectible for someone wanting a Joe Jackson card. Consider, not only is he not mentioned on the T202, he's not even the first or second object of focus of the card.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Matt

I think that's WAY high. The absolute ceiling for this card in my mind is his WG4, WG5 and WG6 cards that depict only him and actually have his name on them - a much more mainstream collectible for someone wanting a Joe Jackson card. Consider, not only is he not mentioned on the T202, he's not even the first or second object of focus of the card.

I have to agree with Matt here.
This is not and was never intended to be a "Joe Jackson" card.
The T200 would be more of a Joe Jax card to me than this one. They are similar in that they have multiple players but it at least has his name on it.

[Moonlight Graham]

First off let me start by saying that I am Heavydooty on EBAY! Now I know I'm gonna get murdered here but also I am not above taking advice from advanced collectors and if I get scorned, so be it! My thinking was that I thought the card would be worth about 1000.00. But if I would have asked 1000.00 I would have been offered maybe 600-700. The reason for the quick flip is because I found another card I want more and need to sell this one but I'm going to forget that now and just pull it and keep it. However, it is interesting that Shoeless Joe is on a T card and is the center panel. If his name appeared on the flip I think the card would definitely sell for alot more IMO. And I do think the card is undervalued considering JJJ appears on it. Not having his name mentioned on the card just keeps up with the whole mystique of Shoeless Joe. Now I just joined Net54 and I want to be a good member and will definitely take the ripping I'm about to receive. By the way, I find this forum really awesome!!!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham

First off let me start by saying that I am Heavydooty on EBAY! Now I know I'm gonna get murdered here but also I am not above taking advice from advanced collectors and if I get scorned, so be it! My thinking was that I thought the card would be worth about 1000.00. But if I would have asked 1000.00 I would have been offered maybe 600-700. The reason for the quick flip is because I found another card I want more and need to sell this one but I'm going to forget that now and just pull it and keep it. However, it is interesting that Shoeless Joe is on a T card and is the center panel. If his name appeared on the flip I think the card would definitely sell for alot more IMO. And I do think the card is undervalued considering JJJ appears on it. Not having his name mentioned on the card just keeps up with the whole mystique of Shoeless Joe. Now I just joined Net54 and I want to be a good member and will definitely take the ripping I'm about to receive. By the way, I find this forum really awesome!!!

I have never met a single soul on this board who could not at one time or another, be labeled "flipper", so don't let that bother you. The only exception I can think of was Leon in his early collecting days - that guy would not let go of anything.

[Moonlight Graham]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have never met a single soul on this board who could not at one time or another, be labeled "flipper", so don't let that bother you. The only exception I can think of was Leon in his early collecting days - that guy would not let go of anything.

Thanks Scott!! I wish I was well off so that I could keep everything I've ever bought!!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham

First off let me start by saying that I am Heavydooty on EBAY! Now I know I'm gonna get murdered here but also I am not above taking advice from advanced collectors and if I get scorned, so be it! My thinking was that I thought the card would be worth about 1000.00. But if I would have asked 1000.00 I would have been offered maybe 600-700. The reason for the quick flip is because I found another card I want more and need to sell this one but I'm going to forget that now and just pull it and keep it. However, it is interesting that Shoeless Joe is on a T card and is the center panel. If his name appeared on the flip I think the card would definitely sell for alot more IMO. And I do think the card is undervalued considering JJJ appears on it. Not having his name mentioned on the card just keeps up with the whole mystique of Shoeless Joe. Now I just joined Net54 and I want to be a good member and will definitely take the ripping I'm about to receive. By the way, I find this forum really awesome!!!

Originally Posted by Runscott

I have never met a single soul on this board who could not at one time or another, be labeled "flipper", so don't let that bother you. The only exception I can think of was Leon in his early collecting days - that guy would not let go of anything.

Moonlight,
I guess I was the one that called you out on flipping, but there really is nothing wrong with flipping. Flipping is what makes businesses run. I have done a fair share of flipping. Once it is your card you are free to do with it as you like. If someone really wants it from you then you get to set the price.

I only pointed it out because the posts showed a psa 6 sold in August of 2010 on ebay for $266. Then you bought a psa5 nearly two weeks ago (a little over a year since the PSA 6) for $623. I would have been impressed if it could triple again within a week.

If you can sell it for the price you have out there I won't be mad at you for flipping, I will be surprised that it worked just adding the Jackson info in there (and a bit jealous).

[Moonlight Graham]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Moonlight,
I guess I was the one that called you out on flipping, but there really is nothing wrong with flipping. Flipping is what makes businesses run. I have done a fair share of flipping. Once it is your card you are free to do with it as you like. If someone really wants it from you then you get to set the price.

I only pointed it out because the posts showed a psa 6 sold in August of 2010 on ebay for $266. Then you bought a psa5 nearly two weeks ago (a little over a year since the PSA 6) for $623. I would have been impressed if it could triple again within a week.

If you can sell it for the price you have out there I won't be mad at you for flipping, I will be surprised that it worked just adding the Jackson info in there (and a bit jealous).

The question is: should i let the auction run? should i reduce the price? or should i just end it? it would be interesting to see what happens. at this point there have been 48 hits with 1 watcher. let me know

[CMIZ5290]

I truly believe the player is not joe jackson, but terry turner. T202s had alot of repeat players, and if memory serves me right, turner was featured in a few. I have also looked at some pics of him during that era and i would lean much more towards him than shoeless joe... Also, in 1911 shoeless joe hit .408! i would have to believe with those credentials, he would have been mentioned by name on the back

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by brett

With the scarcity of Shoeless Joe cards I personally believe it should be a $1,000 card in EX condition.

I'm sure this is discussed somewhere in this massive thread, but are there any T-cards of Joe, other than the Fatima team card?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm sure this is discussed somewhere in this massive thread, but are there any T-cards of Joe, other than the Fatima team card?

Off the top of my head there is at least the T5 Pinkerton of Jackson. There might be more too..

[DJR]

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[tedzan]

Hi Moonlight Graham.....welcome to the club.....and,

To be, or not be....Is it, or isn't it....Shoeless Joe ? That is the question at hand.


Circumstances in favor
The backdrop is Cleveland's League Park (circa 1910-11)....Shoeless Joe's first games with Cleveland were in 1910....and, the player sliding into 3rd base
appears to have "jug-handle" ears similar to Shoeless Joe's ears....I'm sure I could think of a few more reasons that would suggest the guy in this center-
fold is Shoeless Joe.

Against
But, having said all that, why American Lithograhic never printed a Joe Jackson card (circa 1909 - 1917) is a real mystery to most vintage card collectors.
So,why would we think the guy in this centerfold is Joe ? Perhaps, Joe was "anti-tobacco" (e.g., the Wagner myth) and refused to permit ATC to portray
him in a Major (League) set.
Whatever ? ?

Anyhow, I think it's time to sell my T202 Lord/Tannehill card. Its VgEx and it would be very interesting to see what the market will bring if auctioned off.






T-Rex TED

[HRBAKER]

Welcome to the forum Moonlight. One thing about here at Net54, there's never a shortage of dispirate (help Barry!) opinions. And besides, you wouldn't be the first flipper here.......by far. Glad to have you!

[Moonlight Graham]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Welcome to the forum Moonlight. One thing about here at Net54, there's never a shortage of dispirate (help Barry!) opinions. And besides, you wouldn't be the first flipper here.......by far. Glad to have you!

Thank you!! I'm honored to be here and finally chatting with you guys!! I've learned alot already!!

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm sure this is discussed somewhere in this massive thread, but are there any T-cards of Joe, other than the Fatima team card?

There's the T210, correct? And a T5 as Leon mentioned.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

There's the T210, correct? And a T5 as Leon mentioned.

Yes, how could I forget I did try to do research on the web before posting, thinking there must be a site where you can click a player's name and get a list of his cards. I thought I remembered seeing such a place many moons ago.

I think the tri-fold in question is worthy of $1,000 - if I wanted a Jackson t-card, this would be close enough. Since it's getting obvious that I could re-sell it to someone on this board for the same price, then that makes it worth $1,000. Many have argued here in the past that market value can be set by two people who have the means and will to buy