I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[CMIZ5290]

I truly believe the player is not joe jackson, but terry turner. T202s had alot of repeat players, and if memory serves me right, turner was featured in a few. I have also looked at some pics of him during that era and i would lean much more towards him than shoeless joe... Also, in 1911 shoeless joe hit .408! i would have to believe with those credentials, he would have been mentioned by name on the back

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

I don't know what all the concern is, Bret thought the card was worth $1000 so it looks like you have a buyer at a nice profit. No need to pay the ebay fees.

Lee

[Moonlight Graham]

I've decided to start the card at 99 cents and let it run for a 7 day auction-maybe adding shoeless joe will at least help me break even but who knows. I really had nearly 700 dollars in the card with tax and shipping. Any thoughts?

[brett]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I truly believe the player is not joe jackson, but terry turner. T202s had alot of repeat players, and if memory serves me right, turner was featured in a few. I have also looked at some pics of him during that era and i would lean much more towards him than shoeless joe... Also, in 1911 shoeless joe hit .408! i would have to believe with those credentials, he would have been mentioned by name on the back

Here we go again...

You can believe all you want... but you've already been PROVEN wrong. Terry Turner WAS featured on multiple cards on the set, which means that they obviously had a contract with him and were free to use his name (which they did on a few cards in this set). So the fact that his name is not on this particular card is just another bit of eveidence that it's not him. Also, it doesn't matter what Joe Jackson hit that year, if he didn't have a contract with the card company then they wouldn't be allowed to use his name which explains why he wasn't also featured on a side panel or in the T-205 set which shared the same portrait pictures. Oh, and by the way... If you look at the card in person and know anything about Joe Jackson you can pretty clearly tell that it's him. If that's not enough for you just go back and look at the other 70 pages of evidence in this thread.

[CMIZ5290]

sorry, it's not joe jackson....also for the record, i do know just a little about jackson and i've seen the card in person because i own one!

[CW]

Believe what you will, Kevin, but you may want to check out a few key posts in this thread, mainly the initial post by Greg (botn) with a similar photo from a newspaper identifying the baserunner as Shoeless Joe, then a following comparison photo by Tim. I was also a skeptic at first, so I know where you're coming from, so to speak.

Unfortunately, Tim's comparison photo has since been removed, but it was fairly conclusive. It's a long thread, so it's tough to go back through it all, but check out post #243 (Greg's initial find of the newspaper photo identifying the baserunner as Joe), post #306 by Brett, then Tim's post #344. (other posts added to the findings, but I believe these three may be the key ones to see)

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=243

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=306

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=344

[slidekellyslide]

Yeah..anyone coming in late to this thread should read the whole thing...I think it was pretty conclusive that this is Shoeless Joe.

[orator1]

Seeing the newspaper photo identified as Joe next to the card photo was the deciding factor for me. The comparison is very convincing, and I would add irrefutable in my opinion.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by CW

Unfortunately, Tim's comparison photo has since been removed,

I put them back.

[CW]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

I put them back.

Thanks. This was a great topic.

A couple other helpful posts...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=361

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...&postcount=362

[dstraate]

Could it be that this thread inspired the folks at Helmar? At least this one clearly states Jackson is in the card.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T202-Helmar-...item1c24c99094

[brett]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

sorry, it's not joe jackson....also for the record, i do know just a little about jackson and i've seen the card in person because i own one!

You are a very difficult man to sway... I respect that..... But read the 3 posts above and the discussion is over. Sorry. Oh, and you may know a little bit about Jackson, but not as much as Mike Nola (the historian from the Black Betsy website) who said the player on that card is "100% Joe Jackson".