I'm almost POSITIVE this card features Shoeless Joe...

[brett]

Hello, I'm new to this board and I wanted to share an observation and get everybody's thoughts. In my 1912 T202 Hassan Triple Folder set I noticed a picture on the center panel of the "Lord Catches His Man" card and I'm sure the Cleveland player sliding is Shoeless Joe Jackson wearing the Cleveland style jersey that he wore when he played for them during that time. I looked around the net and I couldn't find mention of this anywhere and the back of the card doesn't mention the sliding player's name but it sure looks JUST like him. Opinions?

[barrysloate]

Welcome to the board Brett, and I must say your first post is a provocative one. I certainly see some resemblance, but that's a tiny photo and it's tough to do really good photo i.d. with it. But it's food for thought.

[Mrc32]

Couldn't it also be Lee Tannehill who is also featured on the other portion of the card?

[barrysloate]

I was looking at the "C" on the uniform of the sliding player and by the power of suggestion thought "Cleveland." But it's probably Chicago so that rules out Jackson.

[David Halpen]

It is not Tannehill since he played on the same team as Lord (White Sox).

[Mrc32]

Originally Posted by David Halpen

It is not Tannehill since he played on the same team as Lord (White Sox).

Yeah....makes sense

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Mrc32

Couldn't it also be Lee Tannehill who is also featured on the other portion of the card?

Michael,

Not likely as Tannehill played his career with the White Sox and Lord was on the same team.

Brett,

Welcome to the board and great observation. It seems like it could be ole Shoeless.

r/
Frank

What David said.

[barrysloate]

I just checked Marc Okkonen's uniform book for 1910-11, and the sliding player is wearing a Cleveland home jersey, and the fielder a Chicago visiting jersey. Interesting.

[David Halpen]

As Brett mentioned, the player sliding is wearing a Cleveland uniform.

Here is a T5 of Jackson from Hunt Auction:

[brett]

Hi Barry... Thanks for the replies, but that is definitely a Cleveland jersey from that era, and here's a pic of Shoeless Joe wearing it with Nap and Ty...

[barrysloate]

Hi Brett- we were posting at the same time, and my last one confirmed what you just said.

[Matt]

The jersey is Cleveland, and what can be made out of the player resembles Shoeless Joe, but as already mentioned I think a conclusive ID is going to be tough. I can think of a few others on the Cleveland team at the time (Falkenberg, Birmingham, James off the top of my head) who it could also be.

[JasonL]

He never would have been thrown out at third.
ever.

[brett]

First of all, thanks to everybody for the response to my first ever post! It means a lot because I've been a long-time admirer of this board and in my opinion it's the only intelligent place for discourse with the finest minds in the hobby. Here's why I'm now even more sure than before that it's Joe Jackson... First off, I have this entire set as well as other Shoeless Joe cards so it's not like I'm just being hopeful or trying to talk myself into believing it's him. The last few times I've looked closely at this set, every time I've gotten to that card I've instinctively stopped and said "Holy crap, that's Joe Jackson!". In fact, the other cards in this set that other people now think could also be him (Baker Gets His Man or Too Late For Devlin) I disagree with. The players in those pictures just don't look like Joe to me. Trust me though, when you look at this card IN PERSON it looks JUST LIKE HIM!... The picture isn't blurry at all and you get a very good look at his face. Simply put, it passes the eyeball test. I consider myself to have a tremendous knowledge of Cleveland baseball history as they are my all-time favorite team and I've looked at every Shoeless Joe picture from Cleveland so I'm very familiar with his facial features, build, etc. I obviously thought it was him when I first posted this, but since people started showing pictures of him from the SAME year wearing the SAME white ankle wrap on the SAME right ankle that he's wearing in the T202 picture I now think it's a slam-dunk (and nobody's going to convince me otherwise). He stole a lot of bases in his career but he also got thrown out alot which is another reason I think it makes sense that he would be trying to steal 3rd in the first place as well as possibly getting caught. Also, when you look at the 3 photos stacked on top of each other you see that he has the same exact sliding form with his left hand extended way out in all of them. Sure it's all deductive reasoning, but so is the existence of Dinosaurs.

The reason why I think it's taken so long for this to be discovered is (1) His name isn't mentioned on the card and the picture isn't right in your face making it obvious, (2) this set is much more obscure and rare than others of the era, and (3) too many people just see cards as currency now and don't take enough time to closely study and enjoy them.

Here are all the pictures including the entire 1911 Cleveland team with just 2 players wearing a wrap on only their right ankle (and the other guy looks nothing like the guy with the pointy chin and big ears (Joseph Jefferson Jackson) sliding on the T202 card)... Look at all the evidence, it's gotta be him!

[Orioles1954]

Brett,

As someone who works in the industry I certainly buy #1 and 3, but not #2.

James

[Leon]

Brett- I know you are new to the forum, and this was a great first endeavor, but please keep your thoughts in this one thread and don't start anymore about the same subject. It starts clogging the board up.....as we already have the poll about the card also. Thanks for your understanding.....take care

[GeoPoto]

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[jbanfield]

This was confirmed to be Shoeless Joe Jackson in the center panel via an old newspaper article with the exact picture of the play and the article naming Joe Jackson himself. Highest graded version is a PSA-7 with a total pop of 60.

[brunswickreeves]

Leland’s is currently auctioning Joe Jackson’s personal scrapbook!

I asked Tom for some additional images from it to be added to the listing. Upon close inspection, I found in it a newspaper article clipping showing Jackson’s infamous slide, same image depiction used in the T202 center panel card?

https://auction.lelands.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=126591

[HercDriver]

The same image as what T202 card? It's not the same image as depicted on the Lord Catches His Man card.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I don't doubt it's the same play but it's definitely not the same photo.

[frohme]

Don't recall posing during this thread's lifetime and surprised to see it back. Apologies for not reviewing the thread to see at what length this was already discussed, but ...

I know I wasn't that invested in either the card or the outcome, other than as a curiosity - and still am not - but looking at it more closely now, I can't even believe its the same play in the same game.

First, the 3rd baseman's foot positioning is so different (right foot in front/to right of the bag on the card, but behind the bag on newspaper photo) and
Second ... his uniform/sock don't appear to match. Even if you stretch your imagination and call what you see in the newspaper photo 'washed out', to make it the (clearly) dark/black seen on the card... you can't then say the black/'darker than the uniform' in the top half of the sock (newspaper) matches the white top half of the sock (card). Similar problems exist ex[plaining away the discrepancies in the shortstop, but I'll defer any further comments at this point.

I seem to recall that the image was more conclusive during the thread's original run (and can't be bothered to go find it), but with this image, its a no go for me. Not saying its not JJ on the card, just that this evidence does not seal anything for me.



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Mike