FYI....T206 POLAR BEAR confirmed list

[4815162342]

I have Cy Barger (see National pickups thread).

[willworkforT206]

Ted,

I have four to add to this list....I have Arellanes, Barbeau and McLean (shown below). I also have Beckley, but don't have it scanned.

Thanks.

Steve

[refz]

Ted,

is this subset comparible with old mill? i always thought polar bears were more towards 350 350/460 subjects? thanks for the input!

regards

Danny

[Scott L.]

Ted

I have:

Roger Bresnahan (With Bat)
Clyde Engle
Steve Evans
Del Howard (Chicago)
Eddie Phelps
Ollie Pickering
Jake Thielman

Best,

Scott

[tedzan]

Listed here are the 69 subjects that I would identify as POLAR BEAR No-Prints. These POLAR BEAR No-Prints are 350-only series subjects.
All T206's in the 350/460 and 460-only series....and, the six Super-Prints were printed with POLAR BEAR backs (Total = 109 subjects).


NO-PRINTS

Abstein
Arndt
Becker
Bender (trees)
Geo. Brown (Washington)
Burns
Butler
Byrne
Campbell
Cassidy
Charles
Collins (A's)
Cree
Cross
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Demmitt (New York American)
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Downs

Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Elberfeld (portrait-Washington)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Hall
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hoffman (St Louis)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hunter
Killian (portrait)
Knabe
Lennox
Lundgren (KC)
Malarkey
Marquard (portrait)

Marshall
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
McElveen
McGinley
McIntyre (Detroit)
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moran (Providence)
Mowrey
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding
Oberlin
O'Hara (New York Nat'l)
Paskert
Phelan
Poland
Rhoades (hands at chest)
Rossman

Schmidt (portrait)
Starr
Stephens
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
Thomas
Wilson
Zimmerman


T-Rex TED
.

[tedzan]

The POLAR BEAR tobacco brand was produced in Middletown, Ohio (Factory 6).

The Demmitt and O'Hara cards provide us an insight into the timeline when the POLAR BEAR cards where initially introduced. The New York versions of Demmitt and O'Hara
were printed prior to the POLAR BEAR press runs. Demmitt and O'Hara were then traded to their respective St Louis teams for the 1910 season. Early in May, both players
were re-assigned to the Eastern League. The St Louis variations of Demmitt and O'Hara were printed ONLY with the POLAR BEAR back. Therefore, its fair to conclude that





Imperial Tobacco (C46)....Eastern (International) League cards




To date, 250 subjects have been confirmed with the POLAR BEAR backs. The following lists these cards according to their respective T206 series.


350-only Series..................140 subjects

Abbott
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Atz
Barbeau
Barger
Barry (A's)
Barry (Milwaukee)
Batch
Beck
Beckley
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain
Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell

Burke
Bush
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Chappelle
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Collins (Milwaukee)
Congalton
Cravath
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Demmitt (St Louis American)
Dessau
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Joe Doyle (hands over head)
Dygert

Easterly
Egan
Engle
Evans
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Flanagan
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Gray
Grimshaw
Groom
Hallman
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoblitzell

Hoffman (Providence)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Hulswitt
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Kisinger
Kleinow (New York-catching)
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
LaPorte
Lattimore
Lavender
Livingstone
Lord

Maddox
Maloney
Mattern
McGann
McGinnity
McGlynn
McLean
Merritt
Milan
Milligan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moriarty
Mullen (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Nattress
Oakes
O'Brien
O'Hara (St Louis Nat'l)

O'Neill
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Purtell
Puttman
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (arm extended)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schreck
Scott

Shannon
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Smith (Chicago, white cap)
Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Strang
Jessie Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielman
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wright
Irv Young


350/460 series...................58 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Cobb (bat off shoulder)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Harry Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)

Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake, St. Louis (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifeld (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
Nichols (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)

Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (Chicago-pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (throwing)
Willis (bat)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)



460-only Series..................46 subjects

Abbaticchio (blue sleeves)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (hands over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (hands over head)
Camnitz (arm at side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Devore
Duffy
Larry Doyle (portrait)
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hand at waist}

Hummel
Lake, St. Louis (ball)
Latham
Marquard (pitching)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


Six Super-Prints

Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
Mathewson (dark cap)


Thanks for all your inputs,


T-Rex TED
.

[tedzan]

A picture is worth 1000 words....so, illustrated here are all 15 tobacco brands that were printed on the T206 Subjects in the 350-only Series............

Included here is the 1910 COUPON back for those of us who consider this 68-card sub-set as part of the T206 family.







Furthermore......

NOTE....the A-B-C-D connection





T-Rex TED
.

[thehoodedcoder]

What is the ABCD connection. seems more like a coincidence, no?

kevin

[tedzan]

No coincidence ...... Kevin


My theory (posted on this forum in 2007) is...... During the Summer/Fall 1910, American Lithographic printed the AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)......
BROAD LEAF 350......CYCLE 350......and DRUM 350 backs on identical subjects from the 350-only series.





Proof of this "A-B-C-D" connection can be found by clicking onto to the following A-B-C-D links, and cross-comparing the T206's in these confirmed lists.


AMERICAN BEAUTY....190 subjects (complete)
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=124927

BROAD LEAF.............171 subjects (to date)
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125062

CYCLE.....................190 subjects (complete)
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125615

DRUM.,....................112 subjects (to date)
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125269


Note....the BROAD LEAF and DRUM lists are not yet complete since these cards are considerably scarcer than the AMERICAN BEAUTY and CYCLE cards.


TED Z

[Jason Carota]

You can add Speaker to the list, Ted. I don't have a scan anymore, as I sold it a few months ago.

[tedzan]

Thanks everyone for your new inputs. The list will be updated tomorrow.....as, we approach 312 cards.....the theoretical number of
possible POLAR BEAR cards.

The definite No-Prints are........

Geo. Brown (Washington)
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Demmitt (NY American)
Elberfeld (portrait-Washington)
O'Hara (NY Nat'l)


DANNY G (refz)


There are similarities between the OLD MILL's and the POLAR BEAR's. However, the Timeline of when these 2 brands were printed differs
by about 5 months.

The 350 series OLD MILL's were printed very early in 1910. The 350 series POLAR BEAR's were printed circa May/June 1910.

Subsequently, there were several press runs of both brands that included all the cards in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series.

Also, I might add that TOLSTOI shares many of the same fronts as OLD MILL and POLAR BEAR cards.


Great question.


TED Z

[e107collector]

Ted,

How many known examples are there for the Ty Cobb Green w/ Polar Bear back? Do you have a scan?

Tony

[DerekD]

Ted,

I have a Billy Maloney.

Derek

[tedzan]

Hey....thanks guy for catching that one (Cobb-green). That entry is a mistake by me. It is an impossible front/back combo.

I have numerous other non-existent entries on this list that I am in the process of correcting at this moment. I transcribed
part of my OLD MILL list when I posted this POLAR BEAR list....my bad.

Anyhow, it will be corrected by this evening.


TED Z

[T206Collector]

As my collection of raw "collector-grade" T206s has grown to over 300 examples (wow), I am proud to say I can finally return to contributing to these threads. My contribution here is the following 3 unlisted polar bear-backed T206 cards, all Minor Leaguers:

Clancy
Hayden
Schirm


I do not have scans.

[Robextend]

Not sure if my question got lost ion the mix, but was there confirmation of a Polar Bear Waddell Throwing or Portrait? I never seen one and since I am trying to obtain every Waddell example I can, I would be very interested to know if it exists.

Thanks - Rob