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Old 07-11-2010, 10:03 AM
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Default FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

This is the 13th of 15 threads that will provide the most up to date listing of the confirmed cards with the various T206 backs.

The CYCLE 350 cards depict players in the 350 series, which comprises of 214 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Summer/Fall 1910.

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To date the following 178 cards have been confirmed.

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bescher (portrait)
Bliss
Brain
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer
Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan
Engle
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)
Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley
McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullin (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin
O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands/chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm
Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Thielmann
Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young (Minneapolis)
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The CYCLE 460 list will be posted in this forthcoming week.



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Jim, you're going to get the confirmed list to 214 by dinner at this rate.
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thats funny..

gotta try and keep theses lists straight..

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Thanks for the 4 new inputs. They have been added to the list.


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The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.


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CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 104


350/460 series..................................61 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................43 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue slv)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)
Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wilste (portrait-cap)


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Default FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

A Net54 reader emailed me confirming Frill . This card raises the total to 103 confirmed CYCLE 460 backs


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mine are here, ted, so nothing to add---
except a THANKS---for all the efforts and continuing fine research.

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A Net54 reader emailed me confirming Irv Young with a CYCLE 350 back.

This card raises the total to 175 confirmed CYCLE 350 backs.


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Ted,

Here's one more for the Cycle 350 list.

Thanks for the great work with these lists!

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hey Ted...Lee Behrens has been collecting cycle 460's for a while now and he lists 5 unconfirmed...whereas you have 6...have you seen his list?
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Lee B and I have been tracking the CYCLE 460 cards for 4-5 years now; and, we have shared our info. As, I have been aware
that he was collecting this sub-set, I decided not to collect it. Instead, I concentrated on my AB 460 cards.

There is nothing to compare in this hobby in terms of gaining knowledge on the difficulty and the feel for what cards are T206
No-Prints than to actually collect the various T206 sub-sets.

Having said that, I have always deferred to Lee regarding the CYCLE 460 cards. If he has one more than is on my list, I hope
he will chime in with it.


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After having my computer crash and not having my master list of Cycle 460s I have found the one missing it is Latham and I do own one. The other 5 are still yet as unconfirmed.

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Thanks Jim, Steve and Lee for your CYCLE inputs.

These inputs raise the confirmed CYCLE 350 total = 176 cards

And, raise the confirmed CYCLE 460 total = 104 cards


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The confirmed list of Cycle 460s has now dropped to 4, I have been able to obtain the Chance batting.

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Your Chance (bat) has been added to the confirmed list.

The remaining four CYCLE 460 guys to be confirmed are......

McQuillan (bat)

Schaefer (Washington)

Seymour (portrait0

Wilhelm (bat)


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The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.


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CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 106


350/460 series..................................62 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Mullin (bat)
Murphy (bat)

O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)
Willis (throwing)

Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................44 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)

Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


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The confirmed list of Cycle 460s is down to 3. I can confirm a Wilhelm, sadly to say it went for well over what I thought was a stupid high bid.

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That Wilhelm did go much higher than I would have thought.
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Thanks Lee and Mike for the new CYCLE 460 input. Wilhelm has been added to the list.

Still needed are these three remaining cards......

McQuillan (bat)

Schaefer

Seymour (portrait)



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Hi Ted,

Based on the SGC pop report and based on the following Mastro auction lot description the McQuillan Cycle 460 does exist:

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=76916

The SGC pop report lists 2 Cycles (50 & 60) for McQuillan, but doesn't provide a pose. It does list the cards as 1911 though. The only other McQuillan card in the set is the 150/350 series McQuillan (Ball in Hand) and this card cannot be found with a Cycle back. Thus, the cards in the pop report have to be Cycle 460's.

In addition, the Mastro lot specifically lists the McQuillan (with bat) as an SGC 50 with a Cycle back. This matches exactly with one of the entries the pop report.

PS - If someone on the board owns it I would be happy to buy it for my Cycle 460 subset.

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believe it should exist, and I've seen the other two Phillies from the 350/460 series.

Would appreciate seeing a scan. An auction listing or a Population report do not provide "definitive" proof in my mind, particularly given the chance for mistake/error that we know that both grading companies and auction houses make mistakes.
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Marc,

Unfortunately, the auction lot was for a T206 520 card set and thus no scans of this specific card were provided. To me there is too much coincidence that both the pop report and the auction listing indicate an SGC 50 McQuillan Cycle exists. I'm just presenting the facts.


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The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.


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CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 107


350/460 series..................................63 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................44 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Sheckard
Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)

Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)




UPDATED by adding McQuillan (bat)


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I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

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Why does the other McQuillen not exist with a Cycle 350 back?

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Lee,

The other McQuillen (Ball In Hand) is a 150-350 Subject and Cycle 350's were printed during the 350 Only group.
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Default FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

Thanks Jerry T

I've added McQuillan (bat) to the list.


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Old 02-18-2011, 08:16 AM
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I really have to see a scan before I believe that the card exists.. I do believe it should but until a scan shows up I think it should be left off.

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Lee -- I agree with you. No board member has actually seen or confirmed this card. Basing a checklist inclusion simply on a population report and/or a card listed in a large auction grouping does not pass the "ample evidence" test in my mind to definitively confirm the existence of a card. Particularly given the wealth of knowledge / resources / hobby expertise of the many members on this site, it seems more appropriate to me to state "likely to exist, but not definitively confirmed".
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Tim,

Thanks for the response. I agree totally with Marc's statement, until we have total confirmation it should not be added. It sure looks like the card should exist but until physical evidence is made available it should not be on the list.

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Old 02-19-2011, 03:00 PM
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Lee and Marc

I appreciate your skepticism regarding the McQuillan / CYCLE 460 card, since both of you have probably been looking for this card
for some years. But, so has Jerry, who also specializes in collecting the CYCLE 460 subset.

I have been searching for certain AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards for 6 years, now. And, recently I found Frill and Overall (yellow sky),
which I had been convinced were No-Prints.

CYCLE 460 cards are tough to find; nevertheless, I do expect that all 109 possible candidates will eventually be confirmed. So now,
there are only 2 other subjects [ Schaefer (Washington), and Seymour (portrait) ] missing.

McQuillan played with the Phillies throughout the 1910 season. He was traded to Cinci. at the end of 1910. The CYCLE 460 timeline
occurred before this trade. My point here is that there is no valid reason why McQuillan should not exist with a CYCLE 460 back.


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Ted, Lee has also been working on a Cycle 460 subset and for quite sometime.

For the record I take these lists with a grain of salt as too many cards are added without conformation short of "hey I've seen that" or "I have that card" post or "saw that card years ago from memory" etc.....there really needs to be more than that or the lists get messed up IMO.

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Nicely said John. I would love to see a scan of the two missing backs of Carrigan that the studies have shown that I am missing. Broadleaf and Coralina Bright. I'll send the first posters a common back for a scan of either of these two backs.

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I have been searching for certain AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards for 6 years, now. And, recently I found Frill and Overall (yellow sky),
which I had been convinced were No-Prints.




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I believe all of these American Beauty lists are complete with the exception of one missing from the 460 series group. John Frill

Frill American Beauty.jpg

American Beauty Frame - 190

American Beauty No Frame - 37

American Beauty 460 - 75
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Thank you Tim

I've been looking for Frill for many, many years. I was pretty sure that he was a No-Print....since he was reassigned to
Jersey City (Eastern League) on July 13, 1910.


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Ted,

I have no problem believing that all the cards will show up at some time. But what is created is a confirmation list. Yes, there is strong evidence that the McQuillan exists but not definitive confirmation, and I believe that it is what everyone wants from these lists.

Bill has always reported on his Superset list that only show up in Pop reports as such and we all know there are a few problems with those. I think a designation of Pop report no confirmation or something of the such would be appropriate.

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Old 02-20-2011, 02:52 AM
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I have removed the McQuillan from the CYCLE 460 confirmed list, pending Legendary's follow-up in tracking down this card.
It was identified in their auction 3 1/2 years ago. It's a long-shot....but if we're lucky, we will get an answer to this matter.


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Old 02-20-2011, 03:02 AM
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I have read Legendary's T206 lot description (as Jerry T did), and it alludes to a McQuillan (bat) with a "Cycle" back.
I'm sure you will agree that if this card has a Cycle back, it can only be a 460....since this subject is in the 350/460
series.

I agree with you that we can't always trust POP reports. In fact, I have corrected several inputs on Bill's super-set
spreadsheet that were based on incorrect POP reports.

Back to the McQuillan....I will contact Ron Oser and see if he can personally verify that this card in Legendary's auc-
tion is indeed a CYCLE 460. I hope that is fair enough, so we can resolve this matter ?

Best regards ole buddy,

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Default FYI....T206 CYCLE 350 & 460 confirmed lists

The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise of a total of 109 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Fall/Winter 1910.


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CYCLE 460 backs confirmed......total = 109


350/460 series..................................63 cards

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (bat)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Jordan (bat)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off)
Wagner (bat on right)
White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)


460-only Series................................46 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms up)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms side)
Chance (bat)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (bat)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (bat)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)



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Default Thanks Mike....it's been added to the the list

This is the 13th of 15 threads that will provide the most up to date lists of the confirmed cards with the various T206 backs.

The CYCLE 350 cards depict players in the 350 series, which comprises of 214 subjects.
These cards were issued circa..Spring/Summer 1910.

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To date the following 190 cards have been confirmed.

Abbott
Abstein
Adkins
Anderson
Arellanes
Armbruster
Arndt
Atz
Barbeau
Barry (A's)
Barry (Minn)
Batch
Beck
Becker
Beckley
Bender (trees)
Bescher (portrait)
Blackburne
Bliss
Brain

Brashear
Bresnahan (bat)
Burchell
Burke
Burns
Bush
Butler
Campbell
Carr
Carrigan
Casey
Cassidy
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chappelle
Charles
Chase (portrait-blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Clancy
Clark
Clymer

Cobb (portrait-red)
Collins (A's)
Congalton
Cravath
Cree
Davidson
Delehanty (Louisville)
Dessau
Dineen
Donovan (throwing)
Doolan (fielding)
Dorner
Downey (fielding)
Downs
Dubuc
Dunn (Baltimore)
Dunn (Brooklyn)
Dygert
Easterly
Egan

Engle
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ferguson
Fiene (portrait)
Fiene (throwing)
Fletcher
Freeman
Fromme
Ganzel
Gasper
Graham (Boston)
Graham (St Louis)
Grimshaw
Hall
Hallman
Hannifan
Hartsel
Hayden
Hinchman (Toledo)

Hoblitzell
Hoffman (Providence)
Hoffman (St Louis)
Hofman
Howard (Chicago)
Howell (portrait)
Huggins (portrait)
Huggins (hands at mouth)
Hulswitt
Hunter
Jackson
Jones (Detroit)
Kelley
Killian (portrait)
Kisinger
Knabe
Knight (portrait)
Knight (bat)
Krause (portrait)
Krause (pitching)

Kroh
Kruger
Laporte
Lattimore
Lavender
Lennox
Livingstone
Lord
Maddox
Malarkey
Maloney
Marquard (portrait)
Marshall
Mathewson (dark cap)
McAleese
McBride
McCormick
Mc Elveen
McGann
McGinley

McGinnity
McGlynn
McIntyre (Detroit)
Merritt
Milan
Miller (Pittsburg)
Milligan
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mitchell (Toronto)
Moeller
Moran (Chicago)
Moran (Providence)
Moriarty
Mullin (portrait)
Murray (bat)
Myers (bat)
Myers (fielding)
Nattress
Oakes
Oberlin

O'Brien
O'Neill
Paskert
Perring
Pfeister (seated)
Phelan
Phelps
Phillippe
Pickering
Poland
Purtell
Quillen
Quinn
Randall
Raymond
Rhoades (hands/chest)
Rhodes
Ritter
Rudolph
Schirm

Schlafly
Schmidt (portrait)
Schreck
Scott
Sharpe
Shaw (Providence)
Slagle
H. Smith (Buffalo)
Snodgrass (bat)
Speaker
Stanage
Starr
Stephens
Strang
Street (portrait)
Summers
Sweeney (Boston)
J. Tannehill (Washington)
Taylor
Thielmann

Thomas
Titus
Unglaub
Warhop
White (Buffalo)
Willett
Wilson
Wright
Irv Young (Minneapolis)
Zimmerman


The CYCLE 460 list will be posted in this forthcoming week.



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