My thoughts on these stupid grading posts

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think you missed the point here. It's the EXACT same card, resubmitted....now worth more, or less, because of a number. I sort of agree that doesn't make sense but also understand why it does command more in value. Personally, the # grading game isn't for me but if others like it who am I to spoil their party? Some people can't understand why I do what I do!!

With all due respect -- the demand will go up for the same card if you first tell people there is a wrinkle in it and then you later tell people there is no wrinkle in it. That is how I often read SGC 50s and SGC 60s with respect to T206 cards.

[Bicem]

what Leon said.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Bicem

what Leon said.

What I said, again.

[T206Collector]

In addition, let's be clear about something. The creases that make an SGC 60 an SGC 50 do not show up in scans on ebay, where a huge amount of cards change hands. So, when you are purchasing 500 T206 cards on ebay over the course of a few years, and you want to be certain they don't have hidden wrinkles, you had better be buying SGC 60s. If you show me a PSA 4/SGC 50 that got bumped up/crossed over to an SGC 60, I will show you a card I am comfortable does not have any wrinkles in it and may now consider purchasing for more money than the PSA 4/SGC 50 was going to cost me, when I wasn't interested in it.

Same card, true, but some different assumptions now go into it with the higher SGC grade.

Here's a perfectly good example. I own this card. If I saw this on ebay, the only way I would know there is a wrinkle in it would be if the dealer told me in the listing (fat chance) or I understood how SGC graded its 50s. This card would be a 60 if it weren't for the "unscannable" wrinkle. If you popped this out and resubmitted it, the only way it gets to be an SGC 60 would be if this wrinkle didn't exist. In other words, the SGC 50 would have been an undergrade and the SGC 60 would be the appropriate grade -- and there would be a higher demand for it as a result.

I bought the Moeller below "in the raw" on ebay in 2000. The seller's listing promised the card had no creases, but it did. The next buyer of this card will now be full aware of its hidden defect -- a spider wrinkle on the left border -- because I had it graded by SGC and they gave it a 50 and not a 60.

From SGC Graded Cards

[Rob D.]

"If you popped this out and resubmitted it, the only way it gets to be an SGC 60 would be if this wrinkle didn't exist."

No, and you're making a big assumption here. It also could get to be an SGC 60 if the person grading that day missed the wrinkle. Which does happen, at all grading companies, and is also what causes a lot of frustration among collectors.

[Bicem]

like I said... people treating the grader's quick opinion as the word of God.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

"If you popped this out and resubmitted it, the only way it gets to be an SGC 60 would be if this wrinkle didn't exist."

No, and you're making a big assumption here. It also could get to be an SGC 60 if the person grading that day missed the wrinkle. Which does happen, at all grading companies, and is also what causes a lot of frustration among collectors.

While I have seen plenty of frustrating PSA 5s arrive in my mailbox with spider wrinkles, that doesn't happen to me on SGC 60s. Is it possible? Sure. But never happened to me. Moreover, since I tolerate corner wear on my SGC 60s, a lot of PSA 4s will cross to SGC 60 and that is fine by me. I will pay more for them, once SGC has certified they are wrinkle-free.

When I was putting together my SGC T206 set a few years ago, I developed a theory that the only PSA 5s on ebay were the ones that SGC wouldn't cross over to 60s because of the spider wrinkles. Frankly, what do you think all the SGC collectors do when they get their crossover submissions back from SGC with 1/4 or more of the cards failing as a result of minimum grade requirements? They get dumped on ebay.

[Robextend]

Leon, I appreciate the fact you have that kind of approach and I agree it is a big part of what makes the board a great place...thank you.

The more I read this thread and similar threads, the more I realize how naive I was when I was upset my T206 common came back as a 30 instead of a 40. The one thing threads like these reinforce with me is that as long as you are happy with the card, who cares what grade it gets...as long as the card is authentic and not altered

But of course that is from a pure collector point of view.