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Old 07-07-2025, 07:51 AM
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[QUOTE=Kevvyg1026;2526061]I show Fox with Cloninger to his right. I have Owens with Harrelson to the right. [QUOTE]

I think I am wrong now about Harrelson being to the right of Owens. It probably is Owens to the left of Gagliano, Owens has a black border card to his right. I will have to go back and look at all of the possibilities tonight.
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I don't think I'd seen that Deans Gagliano with the exposed edge on the reverse. I think it has to be Owens - counts suggest it strongly, and if you look closely at the blue/white border on the adjacent card, there is a slight defect/bump right where the curve begins that seems to be consistent with other Owens cards I've seen.

If true, this places Gagliano, Allen, Angels Rookies 517 and Mota in column 2, and we have Cardinals Rookies in #3.
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Old 07-08-2025, 04:06 AM
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I don't think I'd seen that Deans Gagliano with the exposed edge on the reverse. I think it has to be Owens - counts suggest it strongly, and if you look closely at the blue/white border on the adjacent card, there is a slight defect/bump right where the curve begins that seems to be consistent with other Owens cards I've seen.

If true, this places Gagliano, Allen, Angels Rookies 517 and Mota in column 2, and we have Cardinals Rookies in #3.
When I match the resolutions for the back of the Rowe, Owens, Grote, and Gagliano MC, it appears to me that the trademark location on Owens matches that on the Gagliano MC perfectly.

Now, the problem I'm having is that either the Angels RS is not above Gagliano, or else, the Fox-Cloninger-Angels RS run, which I thought was solid, is incorrect.

Also, a checklist should be in Col 2, if the pattern of every other slit was maintained, as described below.

In series 1, col 2 had check 2, Col 11 had both checklist 1s.
In series 2, col 2 had check 2, col 11 had check 3
In series 3, col 2 had check 4, col 11 had check 3
In series 4, col 2 had check 4, col 11 had check 5
In series 5, col 2 had check 6, col 11 had check 5,
In series 7, col 2 had no check, col 11 had check 7

So, I expect that in Series 6, col 2 will have check 6, col 11 check 7. The check 6 variation in series 6 should be the one with the "full m" shown on the back near card 481.

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Old 07-09-2025, 02:49 AM
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I have the 7 header cards for this series as (# in parentheses):

Horlen (480), Owens (451), Mathews (500), Howard (450), Priddy (482), Miller (499), and Wills (488).

We also have 2nd column cards:
Mota (463, next to Horlen),
Gagliano (498, next to Owens), and
Richie Allen (460, under Gagliano, perhaps next to Mathews).

So, we need 4 more col 2 cards. There is a sliver of red next to Howard, which might be Tiger RS, and I speculate that check6 is also a column 2 card, based on prior printing patterns for the 1965 set.

I have not seen any right side miscuts for Miller, Priddy, or Wills.

At one point, it was suggested that Angels RS was above Gagliano, but that can't be accurate if the Fox-Cloninger-Angels RS run is correct. Can someone post that Angels RS card miscut?
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Old 07-09-2025, 11:24 AM
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I have the 7 header cards for this series as (# in parentheses):

Horlen (480), Owens (451), Mathews (500), Howard (450), Priddy (482), Miller (499), and Wills (488).

We also have 2nd column cards:
Mota (463, next to Horlen),
Gagliano (498, next to Owens), and
Richie Allen (460, under Gagliano, perhaps next to Mathews).

So, we need 4 more col 2 cards. There is a sliver of red next to Howard, which might be Tiger RS, and I speculate that check6 is also a column 2 card, based on prior printing patterns for the 1965 set.

I have not seen any right side miscuts for Miller, Priddy, or Wills.

At one point, it was suggested that Angels RS was above Gagliano, but that can't be accurate if the Fox-Cloninger-Angels RS run is correct. Can someone post that Angels RS card miscut?
There are two different 4x Angels Rookie Stars in the 1965 6th Series, one has Egan and the other has Schaal. The one with Egan is to the right of Cloninger, the one with Schaal is above Gagliano. I have Gagliano under Angels Rookie Stars (Schaal) and Gagliano above Richie Allen, I don't have anything else connected to Angels Rookie Stars (Schaal), Gagliano, or Allen.
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Well, that's pretty conclusive that Angels RS (517) is above Gagliano and is in Col 2. I show Owens below Horlen, who is a 4x, but has Mota next to him. However, I also have Owens under Priddy, so perhaps Priddy is the other 4x card and Schaal is the col 2 card next to Priddy??
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I’m not convinced that Gagliano is to the right of Owens although it is very possible because Owens has a black border card to his right and Gagliano has a Astro/Oriole to his left and they are both 4x. I think it is still possible that Grote or Nottebart are to the left of Gagliano.
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