1965 Topps Series 6 semi-high Sheet Reconstruction

[deweyinthehall]

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

[Kevvyg1026]

Howard has a very wavy LE, is the wrong back of Niekro (a RE card), and is above Horlen (a LE card)

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

Nice find! If it has to be one of those three it is Freese, the card under Wills has a shorter white bio box than Wills has, Law has a full white bio box like Wills does. I'm 98% sure Indians Rookie Stars is the seventh and last header card, since Wills is very likely not a header that means he can't be above Elston Howard.

[Kevvyg1026]

I think that is right, I put Wills above Freese, so I have a run of Freese-Banks-Berra, with another of Willis-Boyer-Pavletich above that at some point.

Boyer is also above a black border card, so he is a part of a row change, as is Owens.

[Kevvyg1026]

1. Mc of Wert

2. Also, Indian RS is above either Stu Miller or Jim Owens, as a LE card

3. Forgot to mention that Braves RS (Niekro) is definitely a RE card, so the WB with Elston makes Howard a LE card

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[Cliff Bowman]

Unfortunately, Wert is a 3rd Series.

[Kevvyg1026]

Oops! No wonder I couldn't figure out who was next to him.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

I think I am wrong about the Indians Rookie Stars being the 7th and final header card, I now think Ted Wills is the 7th header card. That would make Elston Howard the card under Wills on the miscut. I have been puzzled why I could never find a miscut showing the top of the Ted Wills back, if he is a header card that would explain that. It didn't make sense for Wills to be above Freese because Wills is obviously a 3x and he didn't fit in being on the same row as Boyer and Pavletich because they are 4x cards. If Wills is the 7th header card to go along with Stu Miller, Bob Priddy, Jim Owens, Ed Mathews, Joel Horlen, and Elston Howard the question is who is the third 4x header card to go along with Horlen and Owens. I now believe that is Wills under Mathews on the miscut. ETA Dewey was right and I was wrong.

[deweyinthehall]

Concur all around - so the LE cards then are Mathews, Owens, Howard, Priddy, Horlen, Wills and Miller.

Miller and Wills are clearly 3x, and Horlen and Owens are clearly 4x.

The remaining 4x candidates are Mathews, Howard and Priddy. Mathews and Howard's counts are low, and if they were commons I'd give the 4x award to Priddy even though his counts don't seem to me to be clearly in the 4x range.
But they aren't commons, so supply could simply be low due to demand.

I think we need to find horizontal miscuts of one or more of these three to tell for sure.

Thoughts?

[Kevvyg1026]

The counts on Priddy aren't that far below those of Mota, Ron Locke, Yankees TC, so he might be a 4x

[deweyinthehall]

This Howard popped today on ebay - to his right lies a red-bordered card. At first I thought it was a Yankee or Pirate, but when I blew it up, it seems clearly red.

The only candidates which aren't already known to have a match on their left sides are Aguirre, Hoeft, Kennedy and the Tigers Rookie Starts. All of these, plus Howard, are in the 3x range, so none can be eliminated that way.

You can't see any traces of the adjacent card on the reverse - I thought I saw a couple spots that might have been black ink - below the 499 run total and under USA in the copyright, but I think they are both effects of the edge itself.

Looking at Hoeft, Aguirre and Kennedy - they all have writing which might be able to be seen. The Tigers RS reverse lettering all begins lower on the card than those three, so I tend to think the card next to Howard is Tigers RS.

Thoughts?

[Kevvyg1026]

Do you think it is possible that it is a checklist? One of the checklists is supposed to be in column 2 if the patterns from the other series were followed.

[deweyinthehall]

I hadn't thought about the checklists. I compared, and the white portion of the checklist is closer to the card edge than the black text on the rookie cards, so my suspicion is still Tigers Rookies Stars.

I think it's ultimately too close to call though, so I'm not going to place it.