Mike Trout versus Mookie Betts -- who would you rather?

[bk400]

Originally Posted by rats60

In the World Series, all of them. It's pretty telling when Betts postseason career highlight is hustling to first base and not a walk-off HR or clutch 2 out hit.

Fair challenge, but those are WS-winning, game changing highlights. I love Mike Trout. I think he's a class act (as his response to the fan non-interference play further suggests), but I don't even think he even batted .100 in the few playoff games that he was a part of, and those games were in the first round of the playoffs, if recollection serves. How many meaningful games has Trout actually played in?

[Peter_Spaeth]

How does it reflect on Trout if his teams had awful pitching? How many meaningful games did Ted Williams play in after 1946?

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How does it reflect on Trout if his teams had awful pitching? How many meaningful games did Ted Williams play in after 1946?

Baseball is ultimately a team game, so of course Trout gets a lot of credit for the value he created. And the individual accolades reflect that.

But it's a lot easier to be Mr Regular Season -- like Ted Williams -- than it is to be Mr October, like a Derek Jeter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

Baseball is ultimately a team game, so of course Trout gets a lot of credit for the value he created. And the individual accolades reflect that.

But it's a lot easier to be Mr Regular Season -- like Ted Williams -- than it is to be Mr October, like a Derek Jeter.

Surely if you were starting a team you would not take Derek Jeter over Mike Trout.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bk400

Baseball is ultimately a team game, so of course Trout gets a lot of credit for the value he created. And the individual accolades reflect that.

But it's a lot easier to be Mr Regular Season -- like Ted Williams -- than it is to be Mr October, like a Derek Jeter.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Surely if you were starting a team you would not take Derek Jeter over Mike Trout.

I wouldn't take Jeter over Ted Williams either.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I wouldn't take Jeter over Ted Williams either.

If I could choose a single player around which to build a post season roster, it would be Derek Jeter. The guy's got a crazy clutch track record.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

If I could choose a single player around which to build a post season roster, it would be Derek Jeter. The guy's got a crazy clutch track record.

He played the equivalent of a full season in the post season, 158 games. 650 AB 20 HR 61 RBI .308 BA. Would that be a crazy season?

Mantl4 hit 18 HR in 65 games FWIW.
Manny hit 29 HR in 111 games. 78 RBI.
Altuve has hit 27 in 105 games. 56 RBI.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Surely if you were starting a team you would not take Derek Jeter over Mike Trout.

I would take Jeter over Trout any day of the week and twice on Sunday. One had an amazing career that played most games for a very long time and the other is Mike Trout.

[packs]

What is the premise for that choice though? You're picking an end of career Jeter because he had a long career over a currently active Mike Trout?

If it's Jeter at his peak and Trout at his peak, and those are the parameters, I can't see anyone choosing Jeter.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Trout 3 MVPs 4 second place finishes. Jeter? The silence is deafening.

[bnorth]

I would take Mookie. Heck I would take most better than average players over Trout. He is hurt way too often and makes silly money. A better than average player that plays everyday and doesn't make so much money the rest of the team suffers is better than Trout in my POV.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bk400

it's a lot easier to be Mr Regular Season -- like Ted Williams -- than it is to be Mr October, like a Derek Jeter.

That's why there's SO many guys as great as Ted Williams...

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

That's why there's SO many guys as great as Ted Williams...

I agree with you that Ted Williams is one of the best regular season baseball players of all time. Maybe even the best.

[packs]

Pujols made one All Star team throughout his entire tenure with the Angels. It is absurd to suggest that he was anywhere near Trout while they were teammates.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

Pujols made one All Star team throughout his entire tenure with the Angels. It is absurd to suggest that he was anywhere near Trout while they were teammates.

Who is comparing them from the time they played together? That is comparing a guy in his prime to an old guy.

Now for a whole career Mike isn't even in the same area code. Anyone think he will hit a single counting stat milestone like 3000 hits, 500 HRs, or 1500 RBIs? Pujols hit and passed all 3. 3384 Hits, 703, HRs, and 2218 RBIs.

I rarely watch baseball anymore so can't comment on Mr. Betts.

They have stats for everything. They have a stat called "CLUTCH" Alberts lifetime score is .5 and according to Sabermetrics that is above average. Now according to Sabermetrics -2 is AWFUL. Mike scored a -7.7 in that metric. Looks like Mike can't perform when it counts.

EDIT To add I have always hated ARod because he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat when it counted. I found his Clutch stat and it is -10.9