Richie Allen and Dave Parker.

[packs]

Nellie Fox did eventually get in through the Veteran's Committee but per BR he received 61% in his penultimate year on the ballot and then an incredible 74.7% on his final ballot.

He was then elected by the veterans 12 years later.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Do we know why Jones just imploded at age 30? Other than his BA being a little on the low side, he had strong offensive numbers to that point to go along with the defense.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do we know why Jones just imploded at age 30? Other than his BA being a little on the low side, he had strong offensive numbers to that point to go along with the defense.

Looks like the Braves saw the writing on the wall. The B.A. was getting worse and the strikeout to walk ratio wasn't getting any better.

Signed with the Dodgers, he showed up 20 lb's overweight to camp, promptly messed up his knee and was never the same again. He wasn't even a valuable defender after that 2007 Age 30 season anymore. He was an OK platoon guy for a couple teams, but that's about it.

He did do ok for a couple seasons in Japan after he left the Yanks, but even they didn't want him playing the outfield. He was basically a 1B/DH guy over there.

[Mike D.]

I was expecting Dick Allen to make it, but I admit Parker surprised me a bit. Parker is an interesting mix of peak with some longevity (2,700+ hits).

Sad to see Tiant now make it. One thing I realized this time around is that every committee is a completely new group of voters, so there's no "momentum" from vote to vote (like you may see with the BBWAA).

It'll be interesting to see who gets nominated for the Post-1980 ballot next year. Evans and Whitaker? Steroids guys? Kenny Lofton? Kevin Brown? or the same short-career, high peak guys as last time?


The Dave Parker Rookie Card: The 1974 Topps Card Of Baseball’s Latest Hall Of Famer

Dick Allen Elected To The Baseball Hall Of Fame

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do we know why Jones just imploded at age 30? .

He got way out of shape.

[btcarfagno]

I don't understand why Bob Johnson gets no love for the HOF.

Only player in baseball history (with a career long enough to be eligible for the HOF) to have an OPS+ of 125 or higher in every single year of his career from rookie to final year.

Career OPS+ of 139

27 year old rookie who managed to have over 1200 runs and RBI and 2000 hits.

90 or more RBI in 10 of his 13 major league seasons including 8 of 100 or more (7 in a row).

7x all star probably should have been 9 or 10x based on season totals of years he didn't make it.

Walked more than he struck out in his career, including 10 years of 75+ walks

Led league in left fielder putouts 6 times and assists 8 times.

Is in top 100 hitters all time in many offensive metrics including (for thise who feel this is not a compliment for getting in the HOF, there are now 193 "hitters" in the Hall, so top 100 is pretty much top half of current hall of famers):

OBP 97th
OPS 73rd
Walks 92nd
Adjusted OPS+ 96th
Adjusted batting runs 82nd
Adjusted batting wins 85th
Base out runs added 90th
Situational wins added 79th
Base out wins added 90th
rOBA 65th
RBAT+ 98th
Left fielder putouts 12th
Left fielder assists 6th

JAWS has him as the 20th best Left fielder of all time. Ahead of:


Ralph Kiner
Joe Kelley
Jim Rice
Heinie Manush
Lou Brock

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

I don't understand why Bob Johnson gets no love for the HOF.

Absolutely agree with you on that one.

Allen is a solid pick at 3B; his numbers put him right in the middle of the pack. Parker I am lukewarm on. Seems like a case of wasted potential; he was a god for the latter half of the 1970s but free-fell after that. Coke will do that.

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That feels better.

[rats60]

I don't understand why Al Oliver doesn't get more love from the Hall of Fame voters. He is top 100 in real categories. 2743 hits 58th all time, 4083 total bases 83rd all time, 529 doubles 43rd all time 1326 RBIs 100th all time.

His last series, he hit .375 in the 1985 ALCS. He won game 2 with a walk off single in the bottom of the 10th and game 4 with a 2-run double in the top of the 9th in a 3-1 win. Both hits were off Royals closer Dan Quisenberry. Then the Blue Jays and everyone else colluded to not sign Oliver in 1986.

Oliver received a 680k settlement that illegally ended his career prematurely. However, that doesn't make up for being denied the honor of joining the 3000 hit club and the Hall of Fame enshrinement soon after. Voters have no problem electing people who were part of the collusion, but what about the players who they damaged? Hopefully the voters allow Al Oliver to enjoy election while he is alive after what they did to Ron Santo and Dick Allen.

[packs]

For people who support Andruw Jones for the HOF, was his career all that different from Torii Hunter's?

Jones has the higher home run total, but Hunter is there at 353 with a higher career average, scored more runs, drove in more runs and has more than 2,000 hits with about the same career OPS+ (110 to 111). I also think Hunter was a productive player for almost the entirety of his career whereas Jones left a lasting memory of a guy who burned out.

Jones won 10 gold gloves to Hunter's 9. But I don't see a lot of support for Hunter.

[Beercan collector]

It’s not The Baseball Hall Of Fame
It’s the BBWAA hall of fame
If Al Oliver could have stayed with Pitt long enough to be part of media-loving
“We are family” champs he’d probably be in there with Parker .

BBWAA probably view him as a trouble maker (like the determined Allen
or “scary “Jim Rice who had to wait 15 ballots ) - He’ll probably get in via the veterans after he has passed away .
Perhaps 4 time batting champ Bill Madlock can make it .