Richie Allen and Dave Parker.

[jsfriedm]

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

[Mozzie22]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

This.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Murphy is a good candidate who played during mostly the same era and had similar peak numbers to Parker but the Cobra far outperforms him for aggregate “rest of career” seasons. Also, Murthy’s teams never won anything, a big detractor against his case. Edmonds & Jones were both steroid-era guys when the game’s offensive numbers were much different than they were in the 70’s and early-mid 80’s. Don’t think either comes close to measuring up to Parker.

[KJA]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

I think Jones goes in before he is off the ballot, the 10 gold gloves will get him in.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by KJA

I think Jones goes in before he is off the ballot, the 10 gold gloves will get him in.

He was so so bad with the Dodgers, and walking to the plate to "Don't Worry Be Happy" was so so annoying...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

He was so so bad with the Dodgers, and walking to the plate to "Don't Worry Be Happy" was so so annoying...

.158 in 75 games. He's just NOT getting into the Hall with a .254 lifetime BA IMO, I don't care how many great catches he made or that he had some great power years.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

.158 in 75 games. He's just NOT getting into the Hall with a .254 lifetime BA IMO, I don't care how many great catches he made or that he had some great power years.

The only position player with a lower lifetime batting average than Andruw Jones in the HOF is catcher Ray Schalk at .253. Then comes Killebrew at .256.

There are certainly other players with double digit Gold Gloves that have yet to get in—Vizquel and Keith Hernandez each had 11. But who knows, just need some friends as voters.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

There are certainly other players with double digit Gold Gloves that have yet to get in—Vizquel and Keith Hernandez each had 11. But who knows, just need some friends as voters.

If Bill Mazeroski can get in for his defense while being below to WAY below average at the plate literally every single season, then Andruw Jones should waltz right in.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

.158 in 75 games. He's just NOT getting into the Hall with a .254 lifetime BA IMO, I don't care how many great catches he made or that he had some great power years.

Andruw Jones received 61% of the vote in the last HOF election. No player who has received 50% of the BBWAA vote has not been elected except for steroid guys. Did Jones use steroids? With only Billy Wagner ahead of him and in his 10th year on the ballot, Jones has 3 more tries. Most likely he is elected in the next 3 years.

[darwinbulldog]

Any predictions of who may appear on the 2027 ballot?

[lumberjack]

For a while, Don Mattingly WAS Lou Gehrig, but his body broke down. Even a hurt Don Mattingly could still play, but....The Hall is about longevity (otherwise Bird Fidrych, Pete Reiser and Joe Wood may have made it in.

Cracker Schalk, as a catcher, recorded a putout at every based and averaged
100 assists a year (or one per game played, if you like), during his career. This is inconceivable in modern baseball. My point here bein', you can't compare areas.

Maz could turn a DP in his sleep (and, yes, he probably disrupted Ralph Terry's sleep as well). The DP part is what he got paid for and what got him to Cooperstown.

Killebrew, I never really got, but he hit homers and he did it well, which is exactly what they asked of him.

I stand corrected on Dick Allen being a questionable team player, but in his prime years he never lasted long in any one city. Every time he was traded, it was for players of lesser value (Tommy John is no exception as he hadn't pitched winning baseball for years, McCarver was past his prime and Willie Montanez had a total of two official MLB at bats).

Was Dick Allen really hated that much by front offices?

There are examples of guys who could play, but couldn't stick anywhere. Not many examples, but there are a few. Hornsby, top of the list, Alex Johnson, Billy Martin, even Lou Novikoff (MLB actually used a guy with one arm rather than give a contract to Lou Novikoff.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Any predictions of who may appear on the 2027 ballot?

Buster Posey and Jon Lester are the strongest candidates. In 2026 it is Ryan Braun and Cole Hamels. Jones strongest competition from returning candidates are Carlos Beltan and CC Sabathia if they don't get in this year. I can see two 2 player classes of Jones, Sabathia, Beltran and Posey for 2026 and 2027.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

Andruw Jones received 61% of the vote in the last HOF election. No player who has received 50% of the BBWAA vote has not been elected except for steroid guys. Did Jones use steroids? With only Billy Wagner ahead of him and in his 10th year on the ballot, Jones has 3 more tries. Most likely he is elected in the next 3 years.

To my knowledge Jones was not associated with steroids.

[packs]

Nellie Fox did eventually get in through the Veteran's Committee but per BR he received 61% in his penultimate year on the ballot and then an incredible 74.7% on his final ballot.

He was then elected by the veterans 12 years later.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

Disagree. It doesn't work that way. Baines has been in for years, all three of those guys were better than Baines, but hasn't gotten them in. Each player is his own thing.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

I agree. Dale Murphy was the best player in baseball at his prime. The back to back MVPs does it for me. And Andruw Jones? The guy hit over 400 home runs and is the best defensive center fielder in history. 10 straight gold gloves? DWar was double that of Willie Mays and Roberto Clemente.