Richie Allen and Dave Parker.

[Mungo Hungo]

Originally Posted by toppcat

My point, which could have been more elegant I guess, was to point out neither had a HOF career.

Maybe not, but Parker sure looked like a HOFer in the 70s. At the end of his first five seasons as a full-time starter, he was a superstar, right up there with Brett and the other players who broke in at around the same time.

I don't remember anyone every saying that Baines was a superstar ... because he just wasn't. If you take the best five individual years from the two players combined, arguably all five would be by Parker. Only one by Baines (1984) even merits consideration.

[bcbgcbrcb]

For all of the people who support Mattingly for election to the Hall (seems to me that at least as many as supported Parker) based on his peak 5 or so year run, Parker was only slightly less dominant during his mid-late 70's peak but following his ugly last few seasons in Pittsburgh, he went on to have nearly a decade of very productive numbers elsewhere while Mattingly pretty much fell off the face of the earth after his peak years. Yeah, he was injured, but that's part of his career as well.

The Cobra was my childhood favorite ballplayer and thrilled to finally see him get in after nearly 30 years of waiting.

[ALBB]

I think both were very good players. But neither HOF worthy

[jsfriedm]

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

[Mozzie22]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

This.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Murphy is a good candidate who played during mostly the same era and had similar peak numbers to Parker but the Cobra far outperforms him for aggregate “rest of career” seasons. Also, Murthy’s teams never won anything, a big detractor against his case. Edmonds & Jones were both steroid-era guys when the game’s offensive numbers were much different than they were in the 70’s and early-mid 80’s. Don’t think either comes close to measuring up to Parker.

[KJA]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

I think Jones goes in before he is off the ballot, the 10 gold gloves will get him in.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by KJA

I think Jones goes in before he is off the ballot, the 10 gold gloves will get him in.

He was so so bad with the Dodgers, and walking to the plate to "Don't Worry Be Happy" was so so annoying...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

He was so so bad with the Dodgers, and walking to the plate to "Don't Worry Be Happy" was so so annoying...

.158 in 75 games. He's just NOT getting into the Hall with a .254 lifetime BA IMO, I don't care how many great catches he made or that he had some great power years.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

Disagree. It doesn't work that way. Baines has been in for years, all three of those guys were better than Baines, but hasn't gotten them in. Each player is his own thing.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by jsfriedm

There's no way they keep Andruw Jones or Jim Edmonds or even Dale Murphy out of the HOF if Dave Parker is in.

I agree. Dale Murphy was the best player in baseball at his prime. The back to back MVPs does it for me. And Andruw Jones? The guy hit over 400 home runs and is the best defensive center fielder in history. 10 straight gold gloves? DWar was double that of Willie Mays and Roberto Clemente.