O/T - Juan Soto - 15 years/$765M with the Mets

[jayshum]

Wow

[paul]

Wow indeed. That's more total money than Shohei, and Soto can't pitch. I wonder if any of Soto's money is deferred, like Shohei's.

[butchie_t]

Who had Mets in their pool???

Yikes!!

[ullmandds]

None of it is deferred. I believe he will be worth the money!

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

None of it is deferred. I believe he will be worth the money!

He's not worth that much. The Mets can have him if he's going to be a greedy dick.



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[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Who had Mets in their pool???

Yikes!!

Mets were regarded as the most likely landing spot over the past couple weeks

[samosa4u]

I enjoyed watching him and Judge play together against my team (Jays). Soto is the reason they went to the WS. I'm surprised the Yanks let him get away. Now they're screwed.

[campyfan39]

I can't stand the guy and his antics. As a Dodger fan, I was super glad they didn't get him. I do wish he would have stayed in the American League though.

Someone did the math and said he would make 65k per inning. Is that even possibly true?

[tycobb]

Glad he wont be wearing Dodger blue !


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[oldjudge]

Makes Ohtani, who is a much better player, look cheap

[philo98]

Contract goes over $800 million with escalators.

[bk400]

As a Mets fan, I'm ambivalent. He's an asset in the batting order, but I'm not convinced he's the guy who brings us our next championship.

I'm envious of the Dodgers. When you can bring in a guy like Ohtani who clearly wants most to win rings, it's great for the franchise.

[Lucas00]

Juan is a great player. But I just don't see him as a big draw like Ohtani and Judge. Purely as a spectator I'd much rather see the other two play. He's at the really good level, the other two seem to be at the inhuman level. I would've expected something more in the range of 300-500m. But good for him.

[z28jd]

Two things here that most people don't think about. By the time the deal is over, $55M per year might not look that bad. Go back 15 years to the big deals and they look small in comparison now. His final years probably won't stand out as much.

The other thing is that I hate seeing these deals. I already can't afford to go to games, nor would I pay the prices if I could. The quality of play in baseball is awful now in my opinion. I can't tolerate nine innings of strikeouts and solo homers most nights. So they aren't losing me by raising prices, but you know this contract will have a domino effect. Everyone will cost more now, which will be paid by the fans, not the owners going into debt.

As a side note I was just talking to a relative about this subject earlier today. I noticed how few photos I saw of relatives at games this year on Facebook. I have a large family with many baseball fans who used to go to games. I mean I probably saw 100 games total each year between various cousins and such. Now I go to none. My dad goes to none. We went with cousins to games for years and they don't go. I think I saw photos from no more than five games this year. I checked some family pages and saw just two games. My brother used to do 20 games a year. He went to three this year and two were gifts. The other one was a playoff game.

I know MLB claims higher attendances the last two years, even though that is tickets sold/comped and not actual fans in the seats, but I dread where stadium prices are going in the very near future for people. I don't get the appeal to leave the house, while investing the extra time, once it reaches a certain price. You could buy a great TV, saves thousands and thousands and watch from home with surround sound and all the snacks you want at a fraction of the cost.

These free agent deals this year are scary for the sport's future.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Makes Ohtani, who is a much better player, look cheap

I agree Ohtani is the better player, but Soto is only 26, and Ohtani is 30.

Not that Soto’s age justifies a contract of over $700 million though.

Soto was never my favorite player, but as a Mets fan, I hope he gels with the team and helps them win a championship, even if it will be somewhat cheapened by the fact that they are outspending everyone else in what seems a somewhat reckless way.

[SyrNy1960]

Would have liked Soto to remain a Yankee, but not for that kind of money for one player. I would rather they invest that kind of money in multiple players. Heck, Yankees couldn't even win a World Series with Judge and Soto.

[SyrNy1960]

Will be interesting to see how it plays out for the Mets.

[packs]

The only contract I remember that worked out in the mega deal era is A-rod’s original mega deal. Soto is in the same general age range and I expect he will be well worth the money.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Two things here that most people don't think about. By the time the deal is over, $55M per year might not look that bad.

But Soto will be 42 when the contract ends
so will he still be that productive in his 40's to justify $55 million a year?

[packs]

A-Rod won 3 MVPs during his mega deal with the Rangers. Would you consider that money well spent?

[conor912]

I stopped trying to make sense of the economics of baseball a long time ago. If they’re not a case study in what’s wrong with America, I don’t know what is.

[packs]

Harper signed his mega deal with the Phillies at age 26. The first year of his deal the Phillies finished 500. In 2021 he won an MVP, in 2022 the Phillies went to the World Series, in 2023 the Phillies went to the Championship Series and in 2024 the Phillies were back in the postseason again.

Harper has won an MVP, a NLCS MVP, and won 3 Silver Slugger awards in the first five seasons of his deal.

Is he worth the money?

[jingram058]

I hope he gets deported.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

But Soto will be 42 when the contract ends
so will he still be that productive in his 40's to justify $55 million a year?

He'll be 40 at contract's end. He'll be worth $55M/year at the beginning of his contract, and if inflation keeps pace with his declining ability, he'll be worth it at the end.

[gonefishin]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I can't stand the guy and his antics. As a Dodger fan, I was super glad they didn't get him. I do wish he would have stayed in the American League though.

Someone did the math and said he would make 65k per inning. Is that even possibly true?

I'm in the same boat - when he comes to bat and does his gig I almost want to change the channel. Great hitter - Yes, but he is just not my cup of tea. While with the Padres I always thought what a difference between him and Tony Gwynn.

He got his money, but now unfortunately he won't be the only player in history to play for every baseball team in the major leagues!

[Snapolit1]

So if I have this right, Juan Soto will make $785M in 15 years Elon Musk will make appx. $9 billion in December 2024.

I'm done with baseball. This is outrageous.

[D. Bergin]

Juan Soto JUST turned 26, has no discernible injury history, is a power hitter who Walks more then he strikes out (who else in this day and age does that?) and even though he's already been on 3 teams and may have had some bouts of immaturity in the past, seems like a steady clubhouse presence, who pretty much stays out of the limelight and minds his own business.

He's predictable, he's not streaky. Check out his career splits. He's the same home or away, and he's the same from month to month to month, throughout the season.

He's a professor of hitting and never-changing. He's the closest thing, to a sure thing in baseball, and still very young. That's why teams were foaming at the mouth to wrap him up for a long time.

and....and....and.......he's been great in the postseason.

No, he's not the marketing powerhouse that Ohtani is...and I'm not sure why fans would care if he is or not. He hits the ball hard, and he gets on base.

No, he's not a 5 tool guy like Mike Trout either. He's steady and predictable and AVAILABLE about what exactly he can give to a team in the long term, and front offices and team owners will love that about him.

He's the perfect storm. He's the closest we have to a modern day 26 year-old Ted Williams. No, Ted never won a title either, but you'd sure love to see if he might get you there in the right situation.

Now, all that said. He DID sign with the Mets. So there's just as good of a chance that within 2 years he tears a labrum, fractures many metacarpals, falls in the shower, or just so happens to run into the tallest pile of cocaine that anybody has ever seen and things just go downhill from there.

[Vintagedeputy]

He would be a sure fire HOF as a Yankee. Bad move.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

He would be a sure fire HOF as a Yankee. Bad move.

He'd be a sure-fire HOFer if he signed with the Rockies. His team has nothing to do with his HOF chances.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

None of it is deferred. I believe he will be worth the money!

Are you sure? I heard from reliable sources Zager and Evans the he signed a Bobby Bonilla deal and will be receving payments through 2525:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

[D. Bergin]

Wish the Yanks would have been able to keep him. He certainly made things easier for Judge, but the line had to be drawn somewhere.

I think Scott Boras had more of a say in where Juan Soto was going, then Juan Soto did. I don't think Soto really cared where he ended up.

[Fred]

Soto is like a little kid with his celebrations. He's an incredible talent, but you'd figure he'd come to understand that there's a time to celebrate. One example is his team was down 6-1 and he was celebrating hitting a double (nobody on base). There was a picture in the paper showing Soto celebrating. In the picture, the second baseman was looking at him and the look in the second baseman's eyes said "why are you celebrating, your team is down by 5 runs".


It looks like MLB team ownership (and probably other sports leagues) are taking a page from the US government economic playbook when it comes to mortgaging the future in order to pay today's insane salaries and deferred payments.

[sports-cards-forever]

Soto is a great player, but he also was hitting in front of Aaron Judge. He's not going to have that protection on the Mets, plus the pressure of a big salary. When he went to the Padres, he struggled with those expectations. He will have Lindor to take some of the pressure off, but I'm surprised that he made the move considering the Yanks and Mets were offering nearly the same terms

[packs]

I know you can't replace a Soto but I also think everyone in New York has forgotten about The Martian. He is very good and we haven't seen him unleashed yet either.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Now, all that said. He DID sign with the Mets. So there's just as good of a chance that within 2 years he tears a labrum, fractures many metacarpals, falls in the shower, or just so happens to run into the tallest pile of cocaine that anybody has ever seen and things just go downhill from there.

As a Mets fan I admit that this is a strong possibility.

[Yankees #1]

Very good hitter. His fielding is a liability and cost the Yankees games. He grew on me throughout the season as being a robin to Judges Batman. With that said that's way to much money for what he brings to a team. Ohtanis contract opened the door to these long player friendly deals.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by packs

I know you can't replace a Soto but I also think everyone in New York has forgotten about The Martian. He is very good and we haven't seen him unleashed yet either.

Yankee hype know no bounds. Hit .179 last year in 56 ABs.

Have been hearing about this guy's alleged potential for a long time.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yankee hype know no bounds. Hit .179 last year in 56 ABs.

If the Martian has so much generational potential, why has he been sitting on is ass for so long?

Maybe because he had Tommy John surgery? He is 21 years old. He was the number 16 prospect per Baseball America and hit over 300 in his abbreviated minor league season.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Now, all that said. He DID sign with the Mets. So there's just as good of a chance that within 2 years he tears a labrum, fractures many metacarpals, falls in the shower, or just so happens to run into the tallest pile of cocaine that anybody has ever seen and things just go downhill from there.

Let's not forget that because he is now a Met, he could get attacked by a wild boar
, lose a finger during a hedge clipping incident, be in a cab that gets sideswiped by a drunk driver, or badly injure himself while celebrating.

[Yoda]

When will we have the first $billion dollar player? We are 3/4 of the way there.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by packs

Maybe because he had Tommy John surgery? He is 21 years old. He was the number 16 prospect per Baseball America and hit over 300 in his abbreviated minor league season.

Did he get an AB in the post season?

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

So if I have this right, Juan Soto will make $785M in 15 years Elon Musk will make appx. $9 billion in December 2024.

I'm done with baseball. This is outrageous.

I'm with you Steve. But I've been done with baseball for a long time. I did go to game at Yankee Stadium last year. But that's it. I don't watch it. And I have zero interest in going to the stupid baseball country club in Cooperstown. Sooner or later the whole thing will come crashing down.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Let's not forget that because he is now a Met, he could get attacked by a wild boar
, lose a finger during a hedge clipping incident, be in a cab that gets sideswiped by a drunk driver, or badly injure himself while celebrating.

I mean, just the possibility of adding to that lore, is certainly worth $765 Million bucks.

[GasHouseGang]

Maybe there are a bunch of extra incentives in Soto's contract, but Ohtani is getting $700M over 10 years ($70M a year) and Soto is getting $765M over 15 years ($51M a year). Isn't Ohtani still the highest paid player in baseball on a yearly basis?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yankee hype know no bounds. Hit .179 last year in 56 ABs.

Have been hearing about this guy's alleged potential for a long time.

He's the Zion Williamson of baseball. (but actually has done even less)

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Did he get an AB in the post season?

He has the same amounts of postseason runs scored as Mickey Mantle did through one abbreviated season.

[packs]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

He's the Zion Williamson of baseball. (but actually has done even less)

He is 21 years old. He had Tommy John at the end of 2023. What are you guys talking about? He was just signed in 2021 as an 18 year old.

[aljurgela]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Maybe there are a bunch of extra incentives in Soto's contract, but Ohtani is getting $700M over 10 years ($70M a year) and Soto is getting $765M over 15 years ($51M a year). Isn't Ohtani still the highest paid player in baseball on a yearly basis?

Ohtani does not get his money today... he gets it at the end of the deal, so on a Net present value is is a little more than $400 million from what I recall.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by packs

He is 21 years old. He had Tommy John at the end of 2023. What are you guys talking about? He was just signed in 2021 as an 18 year old.

He's such a special talent that they used him in the post season . . .as a pinch runner? Just very odd.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

But Soto will be 42 when the contract ends
so will he still be that productive in his 40's to justify $55 million a year?

He will be 40 during the final season. He turned 26 about a month ago, so he will be 26 for all of the first season.

As for the deal being good in 2039, that's not what I was trying to get at. I meant that by the end it won't look like such a crazy deal in comparison to 2039 free agent costs.

Albert Pujols signed with the Angels 12 years ago for ten years, $240M. If Pujols was in the same exact spot in his career/age looking for a ten year deal today, it would be about $500M, yet when he signed back in 2012, it seemed like a lot of money. Add another three years distance for the Soto comparison. Who knows what his 15-year deal would look like during the 2039-40 off-season if he was in the same spot.