O/T - Juan Soto - 15 years/$765M with the Mets

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

You obviously dont know anything about Steve Cohen.

No I don't. And more importantly, I don't care. All I know for sure is I hope it blows up in his face.

[packs]

What would make the contract worth the money?

A-Rod won 3 MVPS during his initial deal, then won a World Series with the Yankees after opting out. He was not great after signing with the Yankees but I would say most teams would accept the title and everyone was happy with his 3 MVPs during the original phase.

Harper has won an MVP and taken the Phillies to the World Series since he signed his deal.

Ohtani won an MVP and the Dodgers won the World Series in the first year of his deal.

What makes a mega deal worth it?

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by packs

What makes a mega deal worth it?

I don't think you can look at any of these mega deals as something that will have gained or evened out value.

When you're paying a premium for what's been done in the past you're generally overpaying from the outset as well as through an age that's past most every athlete's peak.

Gotta spend the money on something.

15 years from now that 51m will still be substantial, but it probably won't be mind-blowing...though it will be for someone's Soto's age.

15 years ago there were 4 guys with 20m+ contracts... Arod (33m), Manny Ramirez (23.8m), Jeter (21.6m), and Mark Teixeira (20.6m).

A few days ago M.Conforto got 17m and W.Adames got 26m average yearly contracts.

[packs]

Sure, but I'm just talking about decade long mega deals and not an expensive rental free agent.

What would have to happen for you to feel like a mega deal was worth it? If the player wins an MVP in your uniform, is that worth it? If the team wins a championship? Makes several World Series appearances but maybe doesn't win a title?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by jingram058

No I don't. And more importantly, I don't care. All I know for sure is I hope it blows up in his face.

Why do you want it to fail? Just about every owner in baseball is a billionaire and all their teams are worth at least $2 billion probably. Many teams could afford Soto but many teams choose not to have big payrolls. If you're a fan of a team, don't you want your team's owner to spend whatever it takes to win? it's not like it's our money that's being spent. The Mets aren't my team but I applaud Cohen for acting like a fan.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Why do you want it to fail?

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why so hostile? It's just sports.

Probably because he perceives a direct correlation between skyrocketing payrolls and skyrocketing ticket prices,

[brian1961]

Juan believed he was entitled to a free suite at Yankee Stadium, whilst Derek Jeter and Aaron Judge pay for theirs. I guess that was the final straw that Brian Cashman decided was not going to fly. In essence, with all the money you'll be making, you can afford to pay for your own suite. Well said, and well decided, Mr. Cashman. If that's the state of Juan Soto's mentality, I say to the Mets, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!"

As for Soto, from now on, to me, he'll be known as

SEMI-SUITE SOTO. -- Brian Powell

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

When you're the most storied, dominant, successful, popular and valuable team in all of Major League Baseball... you have absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about lol

Originally Posted by brian1961

Juan believed he was entitled to a free suite at Yankee Stadium, whilst Derek Jeter and Aaron Judge pay for theirs. I guess that was the final straw that Brian Cashman decided was not going to fly. In essence, with all the money you'll be making, you can afford to pay for your own suite. Well said, and well decided, Mr. Cashman. If that's the state of Juan Soto's mentality, I say to the Mets, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!"

As for Soto, from now on, to me, he'll be known as

SEMI-SUITE SOTO. -- Brian Powell

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, Yankee fans...

[brian1961]

Yeah, Bobby, I feel much better for saying to Mets fans, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!!" His thinking he deserved a free Yankee suite REALLY turned me off. It was not as if the Yanks' offer was a low-ball, chintzy amount. Semi-suite Soto really showed the inter-workings of his character during these negotiations. Sure, the Yanks will need to find someone to bat before Mr. Judge, but I think they eventually will.

So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Yeah, Bobby, I feel much better for saying to Mets fans, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!!" His thinking he deserved a free Yankee suite REALLY turned me off. It was not as if the Yanks' offer was a low-ball, chintzy amount. Semi-suite Soto really showed the inter-workings of his character during these negotiations. Sure, the Yanks will need to find someone to bat before Mr. Judge, but I think they eventually will.

So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell

You can also easily say that it's Yankees that were being cheap by not giving him a suite...Would George have given him the suite?

I have heard that Soto was turned off from the Yankees by an incident where stadium security kicked his family out of the clubhouse.

On the plus side, at least they're spending. Even though they're using the money for pitchers that they don't really need...

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by brian1961

So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell

I dislike the Mets, love the Yanks.

However.

Soto may have received nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium. Mostly because he's not really a streaky hitter, and is a picture of consistency at what he does good.

but...

In his first (and only) year in Yankee Stadium, he witnessed Aaron Judge regularly getting mercilessly booed at Yankee Stadium for the 1st month of the season, when Judge was mired in a slump, before he broke out of it, and ended up having a somewhat historical regular season.

That's Aaron Judge! The most beloved figure in New York since Derek Jeter and Mark Messier.

What happens when the guy now getting paid MORE than Judge, and was NOT a homegrown hero, takes a statistical downturn or goes into a slump? Mets fans aren't any more acerbic then Yankees fans.

Also, the suite had nothing to do with nothing.

Cohen was going to outbid whoever, and that's what Scott Boras was whispering into Soto's ear. Leverage the Yankees, Dodgers and whoever else, and prove I'm the superstar agent everybody thinks I am...whether it makes me or you seem like a villain or not.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, Yankee fans...

Nothing I said was untrue.... absolutely nothing. Yankee haters... lol

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Nothing I said was untrue.... absolutely nothing. Yankee haters... lol

You said the Yankees "have nothing to be embarrassed about"...losing Soto to the Mets (after you gave up a haul of prospects for him and he carried you to the WS) is nothing if not embarrassing

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Juan believed he was entitled to a free suite at Yankee Stadium, whilst Derek Jeter and Aaron Judge pay for theirs. I guess that was the final straw that Brian Cashman decided was not going to fly. In essence, with all the money you'll be making, you can afford to pay for your own suite. Well said, and well decided, Mr. Cashman.

I agree! A pox on Juan Soto, but a pox on the Yankees as well.

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Incidentally, will the Mets still be on the hook for roughly $51 million per year if they cut Soto or send him down to the minors?

But can anyone answer my question?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

But can anyone answer my question?

Like most baseball contracts, it is guaranteed, unless he opts out himself after 5 years to try and chase more money.

So yes, if he steps into a gopher hole in the outfield, runs head first into the dugout steps, falls into a bottomless sink hole, or develops a Rick James level coke habit or gets DFA'd down the the minors due to non-performance, the Mets are on the hook for it all (unless of course there's some type of sink hole or coke exception written into the contract that we don't know about yet).

[D. Bergin]

Oh....and owners raise the price of tickets. Not players.

Thought I needed to state the obvious.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jingram058

No I don't. And more importantly, I don't care. All I know for sure is I hope it blows up in his face.

Why so hostile? It's just sports.

[BRoberts]

Originally Posted by jingram058

No I don't. And more importantly, I don't care. All I know for sure is I hope it blows up in his face.

Steve Cohen collects only graded cards, by the way.

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Steve Cohen collects only graded cards, by the way.

That's hilarious That made my day!

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Steve Cohen collects only graded cards, by the way.

Ahhhh, now I understand. He's trying to hype up the "value" of his Juan Soto rookie cards!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Ahhhh, now I understand. He's trying to hype up the "value" of his Juan Soto rookie cards!

Kidding aside, isn't he part of Nat Turner's ownership group?

[BobbyStrawberry]

I actually LOL'd at the headline. I guess this is what passes for Yankee pride these days...

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...o-regret-trade

[JollyElm]

Cohen isn't paying that obnoxious amount of money, WE ARE!!!!

Tickets, souvenirs, TV and streaming services, and f*cking hot dogs, etc., are basically already unaffordable for a normal family of fans, and up, up and away the prices shall continue to go to cover the salary of this guy...

[John1941]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Cohen isn't paying that obnoxious amount of money, WE ARE!!!!

Tickets, souvenirs, TV and streaming services, and f*cking hot dogs, etc., are basically already unaffordable for a normal family of fans, and up, up and away the prices shall continue to go to cover the salary of this guy...

Not really. In 2006 Neil deMause of Baseball Prospectus wrote an article called "Do High Salaries Lead to High Ticket Prices?" He found that the data showed that higher salaries do not lead to higher ticket prices: "in the first dozen years of free agency, as salaries more than tripled, ticket prices actually went down in inflation-adjusted dollars." Increased ticket prices after that point were due more to changes in stadiums than salaries.

deMause explained that tickets are priced for maximize revenue - if raise them above the optimal price, fewer people will buy tickets, and overall revenue will be reduced. "The price point you select for your tickets, then, shouldn't change [after signing some big-$ free agent]: If you're already charging the price that will bring in the most money, then raising ticket prices in response to increased player costs would be foolish. Conversely, if you think you can get away with charging more for tickets, you'd be foolish not to do so, regardless of what you're paying your players."

Of course, ticket prices can rise after big-$ free agents are signed- but that's because of increased demand, not because "those contracts must be paid for!"

The BP article only focuses on ticket prices, but the same reasoning is applicable to souvenirs, concessions, etc.

Whether real world ticket pricing is as straight-forward as all that is debatable, but those are the economic fundamentals at least.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Steve Cohen collects only graded cards, by the way.

Steve Cohen owns the Mookie Ball.

[Gary Dunaier]

Obviously we don't know what kind of an effect Juan Soto will have on the Mets' performance next year. But I think it's safe to say there are going to be a number of Soto-related giveaways for fans attending games at the Citi Field stadium.

I just hope the Mets don't repeat one promotion the Yankees had back in August...

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Steve Cohen collects only graded cards, by the way.

LOL

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[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by jingram058

No I don't. And more importantly, I don't care. All I know for sure is I hope it blows up in his face.

Well, Steve isnt just about spending money, which he does when he has to. He is about building a great organization, a farm system, and building a consistent winner. Given the bidding here, if the Mets dont spend that, another team spends almost that amount and has the player, and the Mets have to beat them. So he did what he thought was best. He can afford it. If it doesn’t work out he will try something else. It wont blow up in his face, so find another crusade. Drop the anger, it’s not worth it.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

No I don't. And more importantly, I don't care. All I know for sure is I hope it blows up in his face.

Hopefully you're not just saying that because you're a bitter Yankee fan. The Yankees (whom I hate incidentally) are better off without Soto and his lackadaisical play anyway.

Not that I care about how Steve Cohen wastes his money either of course.